Waterproof housing with a twist at DVinfo.net

Mike Rehmus · September 3rd, 2004, 11:16 AM

Looking for opinions.

I'm preparing to do a commercial for a kayak builder which requires me to mount a camera on the bow of the boat.

OK, I will receive a helmetcam today that will work in that environment. But I require a DV recorder that can be kept waterproof. And an underwater camera housing won't work because they don't have video and audio connectors penetrating the enclosure.

So what I'm considering is using the smallest Pelican case (in yellow for retrieval) and mounting some waterproof BNC connectors through it for the video and audio. The camera inside should be protected against most accidents (except loss) and by using something small like a PC-110, won't get as hot as would a PD150 in an enclosed space.

Any alternatives? Comments?

Dylan Couper · September 3rd, 2004, 07:14 PM

Mike, the last time I saw it done, was exactly as you describe.
Have fun!

Rick Bravo · September 3rd, 2004, 08:26 PM

I've done the same thing you are considering. Waterproof connectors in a Pelican will work just fine.

Some higher end u/w housings do have the option of external video (for topside video assist) and audio connectors. They not only work in water but can be connected and disconnected while underwater.

Also, splash or surf housings usually have an external microphone that connects to your mic in port and believe it or not, our Gates deepwater housings transmit sound through the aluminum housing quite well even though they have no external microphones.

Good luck, RB.

Alfred Okocha · September 4th, 2004, 04:16 AM

Excuse an ignorant..
I'm sorry.. But how would that work?? Isn't the camera inside the case? How do you get the lens outside then?

George Ellis · September 4th, 2004, 09:37 AM

Mike, I checked yesterday, but the guys I used to know are not really on the web that I can find. I am talking surf photographers/videographers. If you know Don King, Aaron Chang, Scott Aichner, or any of those guys, check with them. They have flooded housings, smashed cameras, and gotten big shots in the water in big surf. So, a surf photog should know some tricks that you might benefit from.

I do think I remember that Don King rigged both board, helmet, and bodyboard cams before.

Rick Bravo · September 4th, 2004, 12:43 PM

The case is used to house and protect the recorder, NOT the helmet cam itself.

RB

Mike Rehmus · September 4th, 2004, 11:34 PM

I suppose one could build an optical port into a Pelican case and work things that way.

But I'm assuming a Kayak will look or perhaps even act dumb with a case sitting on the bow or stern. In anycase, fastening it down would be a bit difficult.

I'm thinking a big vacuum base with a ball head attached to which I screw the camera head. Nicely, it has a 1/4-20 socket on-axis in the rear of the housing. Safety-strap the rig to the tie-ring on the bow.

Alfred Okocha · September 5th, 2004, 01:10 PM

Oh dear.. Thanks Rick! Sorry about that one.. =v)

Rick Bravo · September 5th, 2004, 09:20 PM

Sounds like a job for StickyPod!

http://www.stickypod.com/

RB

Erik Hjermstad · September 12th, 2004, 09:55 AM

A project I've spent a couple of years on...
If you aren't concerned with weight, and it isn't going to be used in an "extreme" fashion, than go the pelican route. It is going to take some doing on your part to get everything figured out. I can give you contact info for all the component connectors if you need.
Or if you would like, depending on when your shoot is, I may have a rig that I could rent to you. I assume you wouldn't want to buy the whole rig, just for the one time use.
The set up we went with features a sony 555 cigar cam, with its own housing, hard wired with several feet of lead to a seperate housing with the recorder (PD 101) battery, an then an external romote in its own housing as well.
Shoot me an e-mial as I would be happy to help you find a solution for your shot.

Steve McDonald · September 13th, 2004, 11:08 PM

Is the camera on the Kayak going to face forward or point back at the paddler? Since it's a helmetcam and you said it also needed to attach to the bow, I can't figure just how it's going to be used.

If it is on a helmet and is to shoot what's in front of the boat, why not put it on the head of the paddler?

I've shot many things with a camcorder from a Kayak and never bother with any waterproofing. I just keep repeating this mantra: Don't tip over---Don't tip over.

Steve McDonald

Mike Rehmus · September 13th, 2004, 11:38 PM

The camera is pointing backwards at the kayaker who is probably having fun turning corkscrews through the water. We will put it on the helmet as well.

September 3rd, 2004, 11:16 AM	#1
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Waterproof housing with a twist Looking for opinions. I'm preparing to do a commercial for a kayak builder which requires me to mount a camera on the bow of the boat. OK, I will receive a helmetcam today that will work in that environment. But I require a DV recorder that can be kept waterproof. And an underwater camera housing won't work because they don't have video and audio connectors penetrating the enclosure. So what I'm considering is using the smallest Pelican case (in yellow for retrieval) and mounting some waterproof BNC connectors through it for the video and audio. The camera inside should be protected against most accidents (except loss) and by using something small like a PC-110, won't get as hot as would a PD150 in an enclosed space. Any alternatives? Comments? __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 3rd, 2004, 07:14 PM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Mike, the last time I saw it done, was exactly as you describe. Have fun! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 3rd, 2004, 08:26 PM	#3
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	That'll work. I've done the same thing you are considering. Waterproof connectors in a Pelican will work just fine. Some higher end u/w housings do have the option of external video (for topside video assist) and audio connectors. They not only work in water but can be connected and disconnected while underwater. Also, splash or surf housings usually have an external microphone that connects to your mic in port and believe it or not, our Gates deepwater housings transmit sound through the aluminum housing quite well even though they have no external microphones. Good luck, RB. __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

September 4th, 2004, 12:43 PM	#6
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Alfred, The case is used to house and protect the recorder, NOT the helmet cam itself. RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

September 4th, 2004, 11:34 PM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I suppose one could build an optical port into a Pelican case and work things that way. But I'm assuming a Kayak will look or perhaps even act dumb with a case sitting on the bow or stern. In anycase, fastening it down would be a bit difficult. I'm thinking a big vacuum base with a ball head attached to which I screw the camera head. Nicely, it has a 1/4-20 socket on-axis in the rear of the housing. Safety-strap the rig to the tie-ring on the bow. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 4th, 2004, 04:16 AM	#4
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	Excuse an ignorant.. I'm sorry.. But how would that work?? Isn't the camera inside the case? How do you get the lens outside then?

September 4th, 2004, 09:37 AM	#5
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Mike, I checked yesterday, but the guys I used to know are not really on the web that I can find. I am talking surf photographers/videographers. If you know Don King, Aaron Chang, Scott Aichner, or any of those guys, check with them. They have flooded housings, smashed cameras, and gotten big shots in the water in big surf. So, a surf photog should know some tricks that you might benefit from. I do think I remember that Don King rigged both board, helmet, and bodyboard cams before.

September 5th, 2004, 01:10 PM	#8
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	Oh dear.. Thanks Rick! Sorry about that one.. =v)

September 5th, 2004, 09:20 PM	#9
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Hey Mike, Sounds like a job for StickyPod! http://www.stickypod.com/ RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

September 12th, 2004, 09:55 AM	#10
Erik Hjermstad New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 6	A project I've spent a couple of years on... If you aren't concerned with weight, and it isn't going to be used in an "extreme" fashion, than go the pelican route. It is going to take some doing on your part to get everything figured out. I can give you contact info for all the component connectors if you need. Or if you would like, depending on when your shoot is, I may have a rig that I could rent to you. I assume you wouldn't want to buy the whole rig, just for the one time use. The set up we went with features a sony 555 cigar cam, with its own housing, hard wired with several feet of lead to a seperate housing with the recorder (PD 101) battery, an then an external romote in its own housing as well. Shoot me an e-mial as I would be happy to help you find a solution for your shot.

September 13th, 2004, 11:08 PM	#11
Steve McDonald Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 366	Is the camera on the Kayak going to face forward or point back at the paddler? Since it's a helmetcam and you said it also needed to attach to the bow, I can't figure just how it's going to be used. If it is on a helmet and is to shoot what's in front of the boat, why not put it on the head of the paddler? I've shot many things with a camcorder from a Kayak and never bother with any waterproofing. I just keep repeating this mantra: Don't tip over---Don't tip over. Steve McDonald

September 13th, 2004, 11:38 PM	#12
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	The camera is pointing backwards at the kayaker who is probably having fun turning corkscrews through the water. We will put it on the helmet as well. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!