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Old January 14th, 2010, 09:45 AM   #1
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What is a decent camera for tapeless recording

Hi,
At this moment I use a HV30 in a fixed setup, but it's only on tape, so it ends after 60min.
What camera gives good quality and can film continuesly for about 90 min ?
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Old January 14th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #2
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Probably every AVCHD camera over US$800 would do the job.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 12:55 PM   #3
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Please note that AVCHD camera recording will breakup into smaller file size like 2gig when playback on camera it will be seamless BUT when you import them into your editing program you will find about 2 frames drop out in the audio. If you want to fix that you will need to find a program to rejoin them before edit. 2gig= to about 17 minutes of recording. So a 90 minutes continue recording will have many small file.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #4
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Bruce, just because that happens to you, doesn't mean it happens to all users on all NLEs. I've never had that issue.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #5
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Perrone, We can agree or disagree since we do not know what NLE he is using but there is a potentially can happen to what I describe above with avchd cameras.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:13 PM   #6
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Yes, I agree it could be a problem. However, your statement indicated that it would be a certainty.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #7
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What camera gives good quality and can film continuesly for about 90 min ?
You could run 80 minute tapes in the Canon in the HDV mode, and get good quality LP DV recordings lasting an hour.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #8
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Bruce -
Typically the cameras come with software, which upon importing the files will stitch them back together seamlessly - this has been discussed at length, and in fact there is a little utility somone put together to do this task without the OEM software. Once the clip is imported or processed properly, ANY NLE should handle the long clip fine, and it will be a single contiguous file.

It's been discussed on DVi and is NOT a problem with proper workflow. It is a result of how the AVCHD spec is implemented along with the file structure on the media in camera, but it's incorrect to describe it as a problem one should expect.

I will note that in fact with Sonys I found you couldn't even use the first file of a long clip until the stitching was done. That's why they come with software for importing.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #9
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You know, eventually, someday we are going to have camcorders that record uncompressed HD video to multi-terabyte flash memory cards the size of pinheads (obviously not anytime soon - or maybe even in our lifetimes). I sure hope we are finally rid of FAT32 by then!
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Robert, I sure can't wait to see that day! But I once talked to a guy who worked a Seagate back when they were designing the first Tb drives. He said the only problem with the larger file sizes is that the data degrades over time.

So, While I have no doubt we could fit a couple megs on a pin head, if we haven't done so already, I doubt that would happen. I just hope that I am wrong.

But its only a matter of time before we could see a system the size of a P2 card that we could record up to 2Tb on one stick, uncompressed and ready just to throw in a edit.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #11
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Sorry, got so excited by the talk of high capacity cards that I forgot what I was going to say...

Basically, I agree with Perrone, I have just recently worked with the AVCHD format and while yes, getting it into the editing is an issue (depending on your software) IT is a great looking system, Fairly easy and quite clear.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 07:50 AM   #12
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Be careful...

There are some models that leave noticeable gaps at the FAT limit when recording. These include the Samsung SC-HMX20c and the Sanyo HD2000. With these cameras there is nothing you can do about the missing time; the information just isn't there.

Canons are great for this, and have wonderful autofocus, but the latest models have disappointing low light ability.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 08:41 AM   #13
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I have a canon HF11 and have been very happy with the results, its AVCHD but easy to handle as I transcode it to pro res in final cut pro for editing.
32gb on board but I tend to use 16gb cards all the time as it is easier to plug them into the macbook pro.
The spec is 1920x1080i 50i or 25p at up to 24mbs so the quality is very very good, it also is small but has a lot of manual settings so is a good all round handycam.
I paid 550 for mine and you can have a look at the quality of the image here:YouTube - British Beef Jerky Shoot 7-8-09
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:13 AM   #14
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Bart,

A couple of other ways to go would be to get the Sony HVR-MRC1. It will connect to your HV30 via firewire and record to compact flash cards. A 32GB card will give you over 2 hours. I had one I used with my HV20 but sold it when I moved over to a Sony EX3. I kept my HV20 as a backup vacation cam and now I wish I hadn't sold my MRC1. One of the great things about it is that it will continue to record to the CF while you change tapes. You can either record to both tape and CF or just CF.

Or, you could go totally hog wild and get a Convergent Design NanoFlash and record via the HDMI out. Given enough light so that the HV30's sensor behaves nicely, the NanoFlash's picture will blow you away. There are complete discussions on both of these devices over in the Tapeless Video Recording Solutions section.

HVR-MRC1 can be had for around $750 and the NanoFlash for around $3000.

Just some other options.

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