Finding the right camcorder at DVinfo.net

Paul Elertson · January 25th, 2011, 08:23 AM

Hoping I can get some insight from users of this board on finding the right camcorder.

This camera needs to be easy enough for the average person to use and will be used indoors 95% of the time.

Requirements:
HD
Digital tape-less format
Gain control
white balance
audio input for good wireless mic

Preferred but not required:
XLR audio inputs
3CCD

A side note, Looking for a camcorder/microphone that will perform well in a tradeshow environment. Something that is good at blocking out unwanted background noise will still capturing the speakers audio well. If such a thing exist. :)

Thanks in advance,

-Paul

Glen Vandermolen · January 25th, 2011, 08:59 AM

Wow, you have a lot of choices with those requirements. You didn't mention budget or how soon you need the camera. Most of these cameras also have CMOS chips. But here are some that are all under $10,000:

Lower priced, under $4,000:

Canon XA10 (not available yet, maybe in a few months)
Canon XF100/105 (due shortly)
JVC HM100 (CCD)
Panasonic HMC150 (CCD)
Panasonic HMC40 (XLRs w/ adapter)
Panasonic HMC80
Panasonic HPX170 (CCD)
Panasonic HVX200a (CCD)
Sony AX2000
Sony MC50U (no XLR inputs, not sure about gain)
Sony NX5U
Sony NEX-VG10 (no XLR inputs)
Sony MC2000U

Higher priced:

Canon XF300/305
JVC HM700/790 (CCD)
Panasonic HPX370 ($2K rebate going on now!)
Panasonic AF100
Sony EX1R
Sony EX3

I might have missed one or two, but there are a lot for you to choose from. Some HDV cameras can record to solid state external recorders, but I left all HDV cameras off the list. If you want to save even more money, go for the cameras that record to SD cards.

Paul Elertson · January 25th, 2011, 09:11 AM

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll have to do more research on the cameras listed.

I did not mention price, since it needs to be easy to use, I assume that rules out most camcorders over 5K. As usual, the cheaper the better.

I'm a canon fan and the XA10 looks pretty nice.

Also, I want to avoid any DTE drive attachments since that would add more trouble for the user.

Glen Vandermolen · January 25th, 2011, 09:49 AM

Yeah, I thought more about this, and for a camera for "everyman," that pretty much eliminates the higher-end cameras. Price wise, I would also rule out the HVX200A and HPX170, as the P2 cards are pricey. The NX5U might be a bit complicated to operate. The VG10 has interchangeable lenses and a large sensor, and that can bring up issues with controlling your depth of field.
So, a revised list:

Canon XA10 (not available yet, maybe in a few months)
Canon XF100/105 (due shortly)
JVC HM100 (CCD)
Panasonic HMC150 (CCD)
Panasonic HMC40 (XLRs w/ adapter)
Panasonic HMC80
Sony AX2000
Sony MC50U (no XLR inputs, not sure about gain)
Sony MC2000U

I agree, the XA10 looks like a fun little camera. It has the same lens and sensor of the XF100, but $1,000 cheaper. AVCHD, of course.

Paul Elertson · February 4th, 2011, 02:26 PM

Does anyone know if the canon XA10 has the zebra line functionality?

Paul Elertson · February 9th, 2011, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Does anyone know if the canon XA10 has the zebra line functionality?

Just updating for other peoples references, I did find out that the XA10 does have zebra pattern functionality.

Side note, pretty sure this is the camcorder that will be selected. Hope they release it soon.

Chris Hurd · February 9th, 2011, 10:18 AM

One thing about tradeshow environments -- no camcorder
is going to give you good audio in that type of setting (unless
the show is dead and it's just exhibitors exhibiting to other
exhibitors). In a loud, noisy place it'll be a good idea to use
a wireless mic clipped to the lapel of whoever your speaker
is... just be sure to get it back when they're finished!

Paul Elertson · February 9th, 2011, 10:58 AM

Thanks for the input.

That is exactly why I want a camcorder with XLR-inputs. Next step is to find a good wireless mic or two.

January 25th, 2011, 08:23 AM	#1
Paul Elertson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 110	Finding the right camcorder Hoping I can get some insight from users of this board on finding the right camcorder. This camera needs to be easy enough for the average person to use and will be used indoors 95% of the time. Requirements: HD Digital tape-less format Gain control white balance audio input for good wireless mic Preferred but not required: XLR audio inputs 3CCD A side note, Looking for a camcorder/microphone that will perform well in a tradeshow environment. Something that is good at blocking out unwanted background noise will still capturing the speakers audio well. If such a thing exist. :) Thanks in advance, -Paul __________________ www.boostedfilms.com?r=DVinfosig

January 25th, 2011, 09:11 AM	#3
Paul Elertson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 110	Thanks for the quick reply. I'll have to do more research on the cameras listed. I did not mention price, since it needs to be easy to use, I assume that rules out most camcorders over 5K. As usual, the cheaper the better. I'm a canon fan and the XA10 looks pretty nice. Also, I want to avoid any DTE drive attachments since that would add more trouble for the user. __________________ www.boostedfilms.com?r=DVinfosig

February 4th, 2011, 02:26 PM	#5
Paul Elertson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 110	Does anyone know if the canon XA10 has the zebra line functionality? __________________ www.boostedfilms.com?r=DVinfosig

February 9th, 2011, 10:18 AM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	One thing about tradeshow environments -- no camcorder is going to give you good audio in that type of setting (unless the show is dead and it's just exhibitors exhibiting to other exhibitors). In a loud, noisy place it'll be a good idea to use a wireless mic clipped to the lapel of whoever your speaker is... just be sure to get it back when they're finished! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 9th, 2011, 10:58 AM	#8
Paul Elertson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 110	Thanks for the input. That is exactly why I want a camcorder with XLR-inputs. Next step is to find a good wireless mic or two. __________________ www.boostedfilms.com?r=DVinfosig

January 25th, 2011, 08:59 AM	#2
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Wow, you have a lot of choices with those requirements. You didn't mention budget or how soon you need the camera. Most of these cameras also have CMOS chips. But here are some that are all under $10,000: Lower priced, under $4,000: Canon XA10 (not available yet, maybe in a few months) Canon XF100/105 (due shortly) JVC HM100 (CCD) Panasonic HMC150 (CCD) Panasonic HMC40 (XLRs w/ adapter) Panasonic HMC80 Panasonic HPX170 (CCD) Panasonic HVX200a (CCD) Sony AX2000 Sony MC50U (no XLR inputs, not sure about gain) Sony NX5U Sony NEX-VG10 (no XLR inputs) Sony MC2000U Higher priced: Canon XF300/305 JVC HM700/790 (CCD) Panasonic HPX370 ($2K rebate going on now!) Panasonic AF100 Sony EX1R Sony EX3 I might have missed one or two, but there are a lot for you to choose from. Some HDV cameras can record to solid state external recorders, but I left all HDV cameras off the list. If you want to save even more money, go for the cameras that record to SD cards.

January 25th, 2011, 09:49 AM	#4
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Yeah, I thought more about this, and for a camera for "everyman," that pretty much eliminates the higher-end cameras. Price wise, I would also rule out the HVX200A and HPX170, as the P2 cards are pricey. The NX5U might be a bit complicated to operate. The VG10 has interchangeable lenses and a large sensor, and that can bring up issues with controlling your depth of field. So, a revised list: Canon XA10 (not available yet, maybe in a few months) Canon XF100/105 (due shortly) JVC HM100 (CCD) Panasonic HMC150 (CCD) Panasonic HMC40 (XLRs w/ adapter) Panasonic HMC80 Sony AX2000 Sony MC50U (no XLR inputs, not sure about gain) Sony MC2000U I agree, the XA10 looks like a fun little camera. It has the same lens and sensor of the XF100, but $1,000 cheaper. AVCHD, of course.