DVCam tapes at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > Open DV Discussion

Open DV Discussion
For topics which don't fit into any of the other categories.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 21st, 2003, 12:37 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 61
DVCam tapes

ok, i was at the sundance film festival and a guy there was promoting DVCam, he said that i could us DVCam tapes in my XL1s, can i? and is it worth the extra money?
__________________
--------------------------
-Riley Florence
SLC, Utah.
http://www.secondsection.com
Riley Florence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 12:47 PM   #2
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
You can use the small Mini-DVCAM cassettes in your XL1S or any other camcorder in lieu of Mini-DV cassettes. You'll still be recording DV, so there's no gain in image quality or any other difference for that matter. DVCAM tapes might be a bit more robust than DV tapes and therefore less prone to drop-outs or glitches, but whether that's worth the extra cost is really your own determination to make. Multiply the run time printed on a DVCAM tape by 1.5 to get the equivalent runtime for using in a DV camcorder; in other words, a 40 minute DVCAM cassette will yield 60 minutes in a DV camcorder. Hope this helps,
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 12:49 PM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 61
it helps a lot. he was claiming the actual picture and sound quality would be better, guess he just wanted to take a 17 year old's money. i dont have enough glitches to worry about it.
__________________
--------------------------
-Riley Florence
SLC, Utah.
http://www.secondsection.com
Riley Florence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 01:14 PM   #4
Slash Rules!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 4,723
I was told that too. Do you all know if Soderbergh (sp?) used them on full frontal?
Josh Bass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 02:13 PM   #5
Retired DV Info Net Almunus
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,943
A thread that may be of interest to this topic.

Bottom line: you can use them if you want to pay a premium price (to Sony), but you're not really going to get much out of it, if anything.

Myself, I'd rather spend the extra money on other things.
__________________
Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission.

Hey, you don't have enough stuff!
Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really!

See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com
Ken Tanaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 03:36 PM   #6
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 2,053
Riley...

As long as the tape runs smoothly and won't clog your heads, it should be fine.

The signal is digital, so it's not going to have an effect one way or another regarding sound or image quality. The quality is entirely up to your mic, lens and camera's ability to encode what it captures to the digital domain.

I'm using Fuji tapes exclusively and run them through just once. I avoid playback through the camera as much as possible. So far so good. Only one or two dropouts in more than a hundred tapes.

As for DVCam tape stock being different from anything else, it might be best to ask the manufacturer. There was a long-standing debate about the Fuji Hi8 60 and 120-minute tapes. An inquiry to the manufacturer settled the issue: both were the same thickness. They just wound more tape on the 120's, which was the maximum capacity of the shell's design.

DVCam has a faster tape speed and a wider recorded track. It makes the format more robust because it's more tolerant of tracking errors. It's also less likely to be affected by small defects in the tape than MiniDV at SP speeds. Conversely, MiniDV at LP speeds have very narrow tracks and are easily affected by minor tracking errors and tape defects.

BTW, I remember people trying to BS me when I was 17 -- I found it insulting!

Dean Sensui
Base Two Productions
Dean Sensui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 03:42 PM   #7
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 61
it does get annoying, oh well, its good to have people like you guys here to keep me on the right track!
__________________
--------------------------
-Riley Florence
SLC, Utah.
http://www.secondsection.com
Riley Florence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 04:25 PM   #8
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 94
from what i've heard, there's 2 issues, first, as Dean pointed out, that the format is less susceptible to dropouts etc. second, the manufacturing specs are higher since its targetted at "pros". kind of like how there's more metal on a PD150 than a VX2000. "pro". :D anyway, i stick to the sony minidv tapes and i haven't had any problems yet ( knock on desk ).

- brian
__________________
This is the way the world ends.
Brian Pink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 21st, 2003, 09:23 PM   #9
Warden
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Clearwater, FL
Posts: 8,267
One of the reasons it's less susceptible to dropouts is the wider video track of DVCam. A spec of dust blocks a smaller percentage of the data. Mini Dv has a narrower track, thus negating the dropout benefit.

Jeff
Jeff Donald is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > Open DV Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:45 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network