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Old April 17th, 2003, 06:07 PM   #1
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DVD-9 (Dual Layer)

I want to get a DVD-9, dual layer, produced. Is there any software I can use to make such a disk? Or am I forever relegated to double-sided DVD-5s?
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Old April 17th, 2003, 06:40 PM   #2
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They have to be pressed, they can't be burnt on home DVD burners. Some replicators will press discs from DVD general media. Generally, they are made from DLT tapes. You may be able to have a tape made by giving your files on your hard drive to a replicator or a studio with a DLT drive.
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Old April 17th, 2003, 07:23 PM   #3
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I know about DLTs - my question is about authoring software. For instance, all consumer DVD authoring software I've used doesn't support anything other than 4.7GB disks. For dual layering, the DVD files themselves need to be specially made by the authoring software. I want to know if there's any PC software that will do that.
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Old April 17th, 2003, 07:32 PM   #4
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The new Adobe DVD software, Encore, supports DLT. Search the topic and you'll see an existing thread on the topic.
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Old April 17th, 2003, 07:50 PM   #5
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I heard that the DVD-R dual layer or DVD-R 9 are available in limited suppliers, but I also heard others that the -R verison is a cheesy flip over type of disk. Any truths to these rumors?
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Old April 17th, 2003, 10:26 PM   #6
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A home DVD burner can not burn a dual layer disc. DVD-9's are pressed, not burned. There is DVD media being made that you flip so that you can burn on both sides. I've used it and it works fine in computers and I back up media files, graphics etc.
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Old April 18th, 2003, 12:38 AM   #7
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Yeah, double sided DVD-R is pretty cool and works well. It's also pretty cheap.

But no there's no way to burn DVD-9s because they're two disks pressed together. You'd think someone would've figured out how to focus the laser to burn one layer or another (just like they do to read one layer or another) but I guess it's too difficult.
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Old April 18th, 2003, 01:27 PM   #8
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More practically, most DVD videos sold in stores, especially the newer ones are dual layer so that it's impossible to duplicate an exact copy easily on a home DVD burner. Those wishing to make a workable copy must go through the process of reencoding for hours which won't put off the hardcore pirates but Mr. Average Joe might think twice or not have the technical know-how to do it.
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Actually there is a tool for Windows (forget what it's called) that will compress the data from a DVD9 to put on a DVD5 DVD-R. It does a damn good job, looks great, and it makes it fit with only about 15 to 20 minutes of encoding, not hours. Of course you lose all of the menus and fluff. But the menus are the worst thing about a DVD that you buy in the store. Who wants to sit through unskippable animated intros navigating every single time they want to watch a movie? Menus should be made far more basic. Like I said, they are the worst part about commercial DVDs. I am not condoning piracy, just mentioning what is available and possible.

I think DVD Studio Pro on the Mac lets you choose DVD9 as your authoring format. Lemme check.... yes it lets you select among disc media, the largest being "DVD 8.54G".
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Old April 19th, 2003, 06:04 AM   #10
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Sonic Scenarist will do a DVD9 Authuring.
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Old April 19th, 2003, 07:54 AM   #11
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How could anything possibly compress 8 GB of video to fit onto a 4.7 GB disk with only fifteen minutes of encoding? DivX encoding would take forever. Does it downsample to a lower resolution or something? And can it only be watched on the computer then?
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Old April 19th, 2003, 10:19 AM   #12
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There is a program called dvdXcopy, http://www.dvdxcopy.net that allows you to make legal backups of your own dvds. Basically it can either strip down a dvd enough that in some cases can make it fit onto a dvd-5 from a 2 layer disc.

This means it removes say, DTS track, extras, subtitles, well anything you can choose or do an auto detect. It will then just adds a basic menu in txt to each chapter, and everything else, as it is, not always it will strip it down enough.

Or you can make a copy with everything, it simply puts it onto 2 discs. It doesn't do any re-encoding, it is an exact copy. Except for the fact it is on 2 discs.

It seems to work pretty well. Took me around 10 minutes per a layer to rip down onto the HD then the usual 15 minutes at 4x burning per disc, so around an hour to fully copy a dual layer dvd.

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Old April 19th, 2003, 12:52 PM   #13
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DVDXCopy Plus is the other product these guys have, but it is more like a DVD VCR, you lay the DVD and record it on the PC while playing.
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I don't know what the program is called, but it does re-encode the video and is playable as a DVD on a DVD player that can play DVD-Rs. You don't get chapter stops or menus, but it does seem to preserve the AC3 track fine and dandy. I'm pretty sure that subtitles, extra audio tracks, etc are deleted as well. The encoding is what takes around 20 minutes (on a very fast computer, mind you). Not the ripping or burning. Tack on a bunch of extra time for that.

The results look tremendously good.
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Old April 20th, 2003, 07:55 AM   #15
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i believe it is called dvd2one

found here
http://www.dvd2one.com/
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