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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:51 PM   #46
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Brochure available

The brochure for the AG-HMC70 is now available on the Panasonic website.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...Model=AG-HMC70

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 11:10 AM   #47
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Panasonic put out a press release about their new 32GB SDHC (class 6) card coming out in April.
Here's the part I'm not so happy about:
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The new SDHC Memory Card will have a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $699.
Ouch! So much for cheap media. Man.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:15 PM   #48
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Panasonic put out a press release about their new 32GB SDHC (class 6) card coming out in April.
Here's the part I'm not so happy about:


Ouch! So much for cheap media. Man.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220254

16GB Class 6 for $75

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211245

16GB SDHC for $60, will be $30 in 3 months.

Use these cards all the time.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:50 PM   #49
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What cameras are you using the cheaper off-brand SD cards in? How high of a bit-rate are you recording at?
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:25 AM   #50
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I don't know that I'd call A-Data or Patriot "off brand." They've both been making reliable RAM memory for computers for awhile.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 11:10 AM   #51
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Would panasonic offer a camera with higher resolution chips than the hvx, but at a lower price?

On the other hand, why would they embrace their past history of pixel shifting low res chips, when all of it's competitors have shied away from the technology?

This is quite the conundrum in my mind.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 12:54 PM   #52
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Well, I don't care about the bitrates or what it records on. All I care about is how the footage looks. If it can't beat my little HV20, then I can always buy an HF10 or HF100 if I want a tapeless HD camera.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 03:42 PM   #53
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Would panasonic offer a camera with higher resolution chips than the hvx, but at a lower price?
I think they will if they're releasing a new HXV at NAB. It's bound to be coming soon, the HVX has been around for a while now.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 03:45 PM   #54
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I can always buy an HF10 or HF100 if I want a tapeless HD camera.
But if you want manual controls in the style we've become accustomed, then you'll need something styled more like the HMC150.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 06:56 PM   #55
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Manual control is available in the HF10 / 100 via the same work-around used for the HV20, but you're quite right in that there are some applications which call for a camcorder with a much larger form factor, such as the HMC70 and 150.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 07:28 PM   #56
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I love my little HV20 in good light, but I don't like work arounds.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #57
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they were roughly the same price, wouldn't most everybody here choose the HVX-200?
At that price maybe so, but for some purposes a camera using SD memory cards would have both cost and convenience advantages over one using P2. Plus since AVCHD is a distribution format you could archive and play the raw footage as is, which also has practical advantages. And if the new camera happens to have better sensitivty in dim light that would also be a selling point.

For me the ideal alternative to the HVX200 would be something which doesn't rely on P2 cards, costs under $5000 and uses AVC-intra at a bit rate up to 50 Mbps. This camera isn't quite there yet but getting closer...
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Old February 24th, 2008, 09:05 AM   #58
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... if they were roughly the same price, wouldn't most everybody here choose the HVX-200?
They're not going to be roughly the same price.
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First of all, I think Panasonic's decision to offer an enhanced mode on the HMC150 was to counter what the competitions might be coming out with. I think its chips will be newly designed and not of the HVX's flavor. Successful companies move forward with technology, not backwards. I don't think the enhanced mode will be the AVCHD max of 24mb/s; I do think it will be 17mb/s or maybe a bit higher, 19mb/s seems to be what I'm thinking. According to the release, the lens appears to be a fairly wide angle one, so I don't anticipate it being more than a 12 or 13X lens. It does appear to be a very nice camera that has definitely caught my attention and one that I might consider buying.

On the other hand, the HMC70 seems like a disappointment. Why didn't Panasonic have an enhanced 17mb/s mode on this camcorder? Gosh, that higher mode is now being used on consumer models.
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Successful companies move forward with technology, not backwards. I don't think the enhanced mode will be the AVCHD max of 24mb/s; I do think it will be 17mb/s or maybe a bit higher, 19mb/s seems to be what I'm thinking.
So why not just give the consumer the option to use the full 24mb/s? It never has made sense to me why they don't leave it up to the end user how they want to set their data rate. If the spec calls for a max of 24mb/s, why limit us to 13 or 17?
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