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Mac Treouser · February 13th, 2009, 03:34 AM

Hi,

Seems HMC150 became a very hot topic recently...i'm wondering which to invest...need your helps here and give some idea or suggestion to grab it...

I'm using it for indoor-Cencert (simple lighting) + interviewing + Live Feed...

HMC150 or HVX2000 s'ld i grab for it and why?
you even can recommend other models here...

Thanks and appreciate!!!

John Palaganas · February 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM

If you are comparing the HMC150 to the original HVX200 then HMC150 is much better in terms of low light performance since it has a newer chip. However, the HPX170 and HVX200a has the same new chip as the HMC150.

If you have not invested in P2 cards yet, HMC150 is a terrific solution. SD cards are so cheap compared to P2 media. Having said HPX170, HVX200a and HMC150 having the same chip and lense. They differ when it comes to the codec they record in. HMC150 uses AVCHD which has the color space of 4:2:0 compared to HPX170 & HVX200a uses DVCPRO/DVCPRO HD which has 4:2:2. But if you don't do any keying, it doesn't really matter. HMC150 doesn't have variable frame rates either. But you can easily just take a 720/60p and drop it into a 24p timeline and voila, slow mo! 40% I have seen comparison footage between HPX170 and HMC150 and its really hard to tell the difference.

Plus HMC150 is a lot cheaper! :)

Tom Hardwick · February 13th, 2009, 09:01 AM

I think it's a real pity the 150 doesn't have slow shutter speeds - so useful on many an occasion and far more useful that high shutter speeds in my opinion.

Mac Treouser · February 13th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Thanks man!!!!

What will you concern when choosing your Camcorder for the Production House?W'ld you mind to share regarding the Format,Size of CCD or Cmos and so on??

Thanks and appreciate again!!!

John Palaganas · February 13th, 2009, 12:49 PM

For a production house, you'll probably need a greater color space and other professional features. I'd pick the HPX170.

But with the cost of the camera and cost of media, I am happy with my HMC150.

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Originally Posted by Tom Hardwick

I think it's a real pity the 150 doesn't have slow shutter speeds - so useful on many an occasion and far more useful that high shutter speeds in my opinion.

Just how slow do you want it to be?
HMC150's slow shutter speed: 60i/60p mode: 1/15, 1/30 sec. 30p mode: 1/15 sec.

Jeff Kellam · February 13th, 2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by John Palaganas

For a production house, you'll probably need a greater color space and other professional features. I'd pick the HPX170.

Just how slow do you want it to be?
HMC150's slow shutter speed: 60i/60p mode: 1/15, 1/30 sec. 30p mode: 1/15 sec.

For production, you could use the uncompressed 4:2:2 HDMI output. If cineform would get the portable HDMI recorder available, that would be nice.

Also, maybe Tom mean't frame rates instead of shutter speed.

Tom Hardwick · February 14th, 2009, 02:06 AM

No, I meant shutter speed, The 151 has a slowest speed of 1/25th sec (in the write-up I read) whereas I quite regularly use 1/3rd and 1/6th sec on my Sony.

Mac Treouser · February 14th, 2009, 11:46 PM

Hi Thanks to all of you.

Will you suggest a Production House to grab the HMC150 for commercial shooting?...Event,Wedding,Mini Concert,Interviewing,or even indoor and outdoor...

Steve Wolla · February 15th, 2009, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Hardwick

I think it's a real pity the 150 doesn't have slow shutter speeds - so useful on many an occasion and far more useful that high shutter speeds in my opinion.

Tom,
The HMC will shoot at 1/15th....that is awfully slow in video. Granted, it cannot do 1/3 or 1/6th.

Tom Hardwick · February 15th, 2009, 02:41 PM

OK, the HMC151 (the PAL camera) has a 'slow'' shutter mode of 1/12th sec in 50i and 50p, and 1/12th sec in 25p.

Mac Treouser · February 15th, 2009, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Treouser

Hi Thanks to all of you.

Will you suggest a Production House to grab the HMC150 for commercial shooting?...Event,Wedding,Mini Concert,Interviewing,or even indoor and outdoor...

will you suggest it?

Tom Hardwick · February 16th, 2009, 02:34 AM

Mac - at that price point the 151 is as good as it gets. But you could choose any camera at that price point from Canon, Sony or JVC and still be very pleased indeed. The skill input of the filmmaker has far more influence in the video outcome than ever the differences between the Z5 and 151.

Jeff Kellam · February 16th, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Wolla

Tom,
The HMC will shoot at 1/15th....that is awfully slow in video. Granted, it cannot do 1/3 or 1/6th.

Since getting the HMC-150, I have never taken it off the default shutter speed.

I bet at 1/15th it will really pull in some light!

Mac Treouser · February 16th, 2009, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Hardwick

Mac - at that price point the 151 is as good as it gets. But you could choose any camera at that price point from Canon, Sony or JVC and still be very pleased indeed. The skill input of the filmmaker has far more influence in the video outcome than ever the differences between the Z5 and 151.

Erm..Agreed.The man behind the Camcorder is the Key instead of the Camcoder!!Since this HMC-150 is the latest Tech and features right now, i think it do posible to provide Good Quality, isn't it?;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kellam

Since getting the HMC-150, I have never taken it off the default shutter speed.

I bet at 1/15th it will really pull in some light!

Hey Jeff, finally i met a HMC-150 user here...Haaa...How How? will you suggest i GRAB it for my production house? Mind to give some comments on this Camcorder? exciting...:P

Roy Gates · February 22nd, 2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Treouser

Agreed. The man behind the Camcorder is the Key instead of the Camcorder!!

Indeed.

After all, look at what this guy can do with just a measly HV30.

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February 13th, 2009, 03:34 AM	#1
Mac Treouser Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 43	AG-HMC150 or HVX-2000? Hi, Seems HMC150 became a very hot topic recently...i'm wondering which to invest...need your helps here and give some idea or suggestion to grab it... I'm using it for indoor-Cencert (simple lighting) + interviewing + Live Feed... HMC150 or HVX2000 s'ld i grab for it and why? you even can recommend other models here... Thanks and appreciate!!!

February 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM	#2
John Palaganas Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 71	If you are comparing the HMC150 to the original HVX200 then HMC150 is much better in terms of low light performance since it has a newer chip. However, the HPX170 and HVX200a has the same new chip as the HMC150. If you have not invested in P2 cards yet, HMC150 is a terrific solution. SD cards are so cheap compared to P2 media. Having said HPX170, HVX200a and HMC150 having the same chip and lense. They differ when it comes to the codec they record in. HMC150 uses AVCHD which has the color space of 4:2:0 compared to HPX170 & HVX200a uses DVCPRO/DVCPRO HD which has 4:2:2. But if you don't do any keying, it doesn't really matter. HMC150 doesn't have variable frame rates either. But you can easily just take a 720/60p and drop it into a 24p timeline and voila, slow mo! 40% I have seen comparison footage between HPX170 and HMC150 and its really hard to tell the difference. Plus HMC150 is a lot cheaper! :)

February 13th, 2009, 09:01 AM	#3
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	I think it's a real pity the 150 doesn't have slow shutter speeds - so useful on many an occasion and far more useful that high shutter speeds in my opinion.

February 13th, 2009, 09:36 AM	#4
Mac Treouser Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 43	Thanks man!!!! What will you concern when choosing your Camcorder for the Production House?W'ld you mind to share regarding the Format,Size of CCD or Cmos and so on?? Thanks and appreciate again!!!

February 14th, 2009, 02:06 AM	#7
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	No, I meant shutter speed, The 151 has a slowest speed of 1/25th sec (in the write-up I read) whereas I quite regularly use 1/3rd and 1/6th sec on my Sony.

February 14th, 2009, 11:46 PM	#8
Mac Treouser Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 43	Hi Thanks to all of you. Will you suggest a Production House to grab the HMC150 for commercial shooting?...Event,Wedding,Mini Concert,Interviewing,or even indoor and outdoor...

February 15th, 2009, 02:41 PM	#10
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	OK, the HMC151 (the PAL camera) has a 'slow'' shutter mode of 1/12th sec in 50i and 50p, and 1/12th sec in 25p.

February 16th, 2009, 02:34 AM	#12
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Mac - at that price point the 151 is as good as it gets. But you could choose any camera at that price point from Canon, Sony or JVC and still be very pleased indeed. The skill input of the filmmaker has far more influence in the video outcome than ever the differences between the Z5 and 151.