Display on regular 4x3 TV? at DVinfo.net

Mike Cecotka · September 9th, 2003, 05:11 PM

Hello,
I'm almost ready to order just few questions

If you shoot in native 16x9 and hook up to TV (4x3) how does it look?

If you edit in 16x9 and export to tape and give to customer with 4x3 TV what happens?

Any problems with capturing with Adobe Premiere?

Last question for weddings shooters
How is the performance in the field -low light - reception?

Thanks
Mike

Mike Cecotka · September 9th, 2003, 05:17 PM

forgot to mention I'm talking about GS 100- black beauty

Paul Jason · September 9th, 2003, 07:10 PM

I am a very new user to the GS100 but I will tell you what I do know.

In Cinnema mode the widescreen view looks like it would if you brought home a wide screen DVD and played it on your 4x3 TV ( Black band across the top and bottom. In Pro Cinema mode The picture looks stretched out. ( Unless you have a widescreen mode on your TV, then it looks great) I got mine from Allen Rejoso and have been very pleased with it. The GS 100 is a wonderful camera!

As for the other questions, I will let someone who has more experience than myself answer them.

Mike Cecotka · September 9th, 2003, 08:41 PM

Is there a switch in the menu to 4x3 or this option dosen't exist?
What is experience with pros giving tape to the customer who has regular TV and has to watch 2 black borders.

By the way Paul there are 2 kinds of borders one is short maybe 1.5 inch on both sides and deep 2-3 inches.
Which one you have?

Thanks
Mike

Allan Rejoso · September 9th, 2003, 09:35 PM

Cam's default setting is 4:3. You activate widescreen (Wide Interlaced or Procinema Modes) by pressing a button. Cinema Mode is set thorugh the Menu.

Unless your customer who uses a 4:3 is OK with a video that is squeezed from both sides (stretched vertically that is), I don't think you should shoot in any of the 2 wide modes above.

Under Cinema mode, you're essentially chopping the image from the top and bottom (width of the black band is fixed).

Paul Jason · September 9th, 2003, 09:41 PM

The band is 1.5 " on mine.

Frank Granovski · September 9th, 2003, 10:04 PM

The size of the black bands is dependent on the size of the TV screen.

Allan Rejoso · September 9th, 2003, 10:32 PM

You mean proportional right Frank? As viewed on the LCD, it is fixed.

Frank Granovski · September 9th, 2003, 10:59 PM

Correct.

Peter Jefferson · September 10th, 2003, 04:25 AM

the black bands are a mask which only imitate a banded widescreen 1:85:1 conversion

Your 4:3 footage ISNT changed, only masked. Widescreen will change teh field of view though.

IMO, i would not shoot in this format as frame masking can be done in post.

This way you are given more head and bottom room for track manipulation.
On top of that any effects used (particualrly lighting) wont bleed thru onto the blask bands.

Mike Cecotka · September 10th, 2003, 08:57 AM

Thanks all for your help in making a decision 99% for go.

Dave Kidd · September 11th, 2003, 10:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : Cam's default setting is 4:3. You activate widescreen (Wide Interlaced or Procinema Modes) by pressing a button. Cinema Mode is set thorugh the Menu.

Unless your customer who uses a 4:3 is OK with a video that is squeezed from both sides (stretched vertically that is), I don't think you should shoot in any of the 2 wide modes above. -->>

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I shoot anamorphic video... not with this camera but rather a native 16:9 2/3" 3 CCD pro camera. I have been looking at the GS100K for a small enterprise I run on the side, specifically because of these modes. Eventually we will all own widesreen "TVs" and these displays can streach this anamorphic video out so it will fill the 16:9 screen.

In the mean time, if you produce your video straight to DVD you can mark the material as anamorphic or 16:9 while authoring. The DVD player will do a squash and impose a letterbox to the video on the fly during playback for today's standard 4:3 TVs. The long and tall anamorphic image is still actually the source Mpeg 2 video stream and can be accessed in this form from the DVD player if you have a widescreen display which as I said before can or should be able to streach the video horizonally.

Broadcasters can also televise this material as 16:9 by using an upconvertor that will streach and line double this material. That is broadcasting an anamorphic SDTV output by upconverting it to an HD format.

Shooting in these anamorhic modes make perfect sense in these situations:

1) If you are distributing on DVD.
2) If you want the production to display correctly on WS sets; in a way it sort of future proofs you... that is until HD (native 16:9) becomes practical/affordable for today's DV crowd... maybe 5 - 10 years down the road.

Hopes this helps clarify what anamorphic video is all about and how it used.

Dave

September 9th, 2003, 05:11 PM	#1
Mike Cecotka Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 53	Display on regular 4x3 TV? Hello, I'm almost ready to order just few questions If you shoot in native 16x9 and hook up to TV (4x3) how does it look? If you edit in 16x9 and export to tape and give to customer with 4x3 TV what happens? Any problems with capturing with Adobe Premiere? Last question for weddings shooters How is the performance in the field -low light - reception? Thanks Mike

September 9th, 2003, 07:10 PM	#3
Paul Jason Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 163	Caution new user I am a very new user to the GS100 but I will tell you what I do know. In Cinnema mode the widescreen view looks like it would if you brought home a wide screen DVD and played it on your 4x3 TV ( Black band across the top and bottom. In Pro Cinema mode The picture looks stretched out. ( Unless you have a widescreen mode on your TV, then it looks great) I got mine from Allen Rejoso and have been very pleased with it. The GS 100 is a wonderful camera! As for the other questions, I will let someone who has more experience than myself answer them.

September 9th, 2003, 05:17 PM	#2
Mike Cecotka Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 53	forgot to mention I'm talking about GS 100- black beauty

September 9th, 2003, 08:41 PM	#4
Mike Cecotka Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 53	Is there a switch in the menu to 4x3 or this option dosen't exist? What is experience with pros giving tape to the customer who has regular TV and has to watch 2 black borders. By the way Paul there are 2 kinds of borders one is short maybe 1.5 inch on both sides and deep 2-3 inches. Which one you have? Thanks Mike

September 9th, 2003, 09:35 PM	#5
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Cam's default setting is 4:3. You activate widescreen (Wide Interlaced or Procinema Modes) by pressing a button. Cinema Mode is set thorugh the Menu. Unless your customer who uses a 4:3 is OK with a video that is squeezed from both sides (stretched vertically that is), I don't think you should shoot in any of the 2 wide modes above. Under Cinema mode, you're essentially chopping the image from the top and bottom (width of the black band is fixed).

September 9th, 2003, 09:41 PM	#6
Paul Jason Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 163	The band is 1.5 " on mine.

September 9th, 2003, 10:04 PM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The size of the black bands is dependent on the size of the TV screen.

September 9th, 2003, 10:32 PM	#8
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	You mean proportional right Frank? As viewed on the LCD, it is fixed.

September 9th, 2003, 10:59 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Correct.

September 10th, 2003, 04:25 AM	#10
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	the black bands are a mask which only imitate a banded widescreen 1:85:1 conversion Your 4:3 footage ISNT changed, only masked. Widescreen will change teh field of view though. IMO, i would not shoot in this format as frame masking can be done in post. This way you are given more head and bottom room for track manipulation. On top of that any effects used (particualrly lighting) wont bleed thru onto the blask bands.

September 10th, 2003, 08:57 AM	#11
Mike Cecotka Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 53	Thanks all for your help in making a decision 99% for go.

September 11th, 2003, 10:01 PM	#12
Dave Kidd New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Carbondale IL Posts: 5	<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : Cam's default setting is 4:3. You activate widescreen (Wide Interlaced or Procinema Modes) by pressing a button. Cinema Mode is set thorugh the Menu. Unless your customer who uses a 4:3 is OK with a video that is squeezed from both sides (stretched vertically that is), I don't think you should shoot in any of the 2 wide modes above. -->> -------------- I shoot anamorphic video... not with this camera but rather a native 16:9 2/3" 3 CCD pro camera. I have been looking at the GS100K for a small enterprise I run on the side, specifically because of these modes. Eventually we will all own widesreen "TVs" and these displays can streach this anamorphic video out so it will fill the 16:9 screen. In the mean time, if you produce your video straight to DVD you can mark the material as anamorphic or 16:9 while authoring. The DVD player will do a squash and impose a letterbox to the video on the fly during playback for today's standard 4:3 TVs. The long and tall anamorphic image is still actually the source Mpeg 2 video stream and can be accessed in this form from the DVD player if you have a widescreen display which as I said before can or should be able to streach the video horizonally. Broadcasters can also televise this material as 16:9 by using an upconvertor that will streach and line double this material. That is broadcasting an anamorphic SDTV output by upconverting it to an HD format. Shooting in these anamorhic modes make perfect sense in these situations: 1) If you are distributing on DVD. 2) If you want the production to display correctly on WS sets; in a way it sort of future proofs you... that is until HD (native 16:9) becomes practical/affordable for today's DV crowd... maybe 5 - 10 years down the road. Hopes this helps clarify what anamorphic video is all about and how it used. Dave