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Richard Longman · December 7th, 2003, 04:57 PM

There are PAL cams and there are NTSC cams. Are there SECAM cams? How about MESSECAM cams? Does Panasonic Professional make all these format types?

Jeff Donald · December 7th, 2003, 05:04 PM

In general no, there are no production cameras for SECAM or MESSECAM. They are broadcast formats and PAL cameras are generally used for acquisition in those countries

Richard Longman · December 8th, 2003, 02:39 AM

Thank you Jeff Donald for clarifying this. I have another question. Which sell more, PAL or NTSC?

Frank Granovski · December 8th, 2003, 04:26 AM

Jeff?

Most likely PAL cams.

Jeff Donald · December 8th, 2003, 06:49 AM

Worldwide, PAL is the dominant format.

Richard Longman · December 8th, 2003, 08:14 PM

Thank you Jeff and Frank.

I do not mean to go off topic. I am a new boot afterall. I'm curious why we do not all go with PAL camcorders and PAL television. Is not PAL much better than NTSC? This would also eliminate the need to convert formats, and lower production costs.

Jeff Donald · December 8th, 2003, 08:58 PM

The use of PAL or NTSC is more a product of nationalism than which technology is best. Within our lifetimes this barrier to communication will fall.

Frank Granovski · December 8th, 2003, 09:39 PM

PAL, SECAM and MESECAM are based on a 50 cycle electrical system, with the exception of Brazil (which seems rather strange---Brazil's PAL system).

Ignacio Rodriguez · December 8th, 2003, 10:03 PM

Brazil actually piggybacks an NTSC video signal over the PAL broadcast system. Thus, they use NTSC production equipment.

I wonder if PAL is dominant why do manufacterers end up charging us more for PAL equipment... weird. Econocmics of scale should work the aother way around. Is it just because of the slightly higher res? Does not make sense.

Frank Granovski · December 8th, 2003, 11:09 PM

Isn't Brazil's PAL only 525 lines---like NTSC?

Richard Longman · December 9th, 2003, 02:40 AM

You mean there are different PAL formats - some you have to use a PAL camcorder while others require a NTSC camcorder? Shucks that sucks. Do any camcorders do both?

Frank Granovski · December 9th, 2003, 04:36 AM

2 types of cams: PAL & NTSC. Many types of broadcast systems----don't think there is such a cam.

Carlos E. Martinez · December 9th, 2003, 04:53 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Isn't Brazil's PAL only 525 lines---like NTSC? -->>>

It's confusing but it goes like this. Brazil's TV system is 525lines/60Hz based.

The PAL-M color sytem is very much like the NTSC system, with the chroma information handled in such a way so as not to have so much interference with mountains, which produce ghosts. As the two main Brazilian cities (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo) have a few mountains within, maybe that's the reason why this hybrid system was created.

In any case PAL-M is only used for broadcast. Professional recordings are all done in NTSC and home systems (VCR and DVD) are all NTSC. TVs are all dual system.

Hopefully we may see a universal recording system when we get to HD, but unfortunately digital broadcast already has three systems rolling: US, Europe and Japan. So here we go again.

Carlos

Carlos E. Martinez · December 9th, 2003, 05:02 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez :
I wonder if PAL is dominant why do manufacterers end up charging us more for PAL equipment... weird. Econocmics of scale should work the aother way around. Is it just because of the slightly higher res? Does not make sense. -->>>

I don't have the figures here, but I very much doubt that the NTSC actual market (those that buy video cameras) is smaller than PAL's. In fact I'd say NTSC is probably much larger.

There are three very large consumer markets which are NTSC: USA, Japan, Canada and Mexico.

Europe and Russia have three different video systems, and are not handled as one market.

The rest of the world is mostly underdeveloped, so the markets are much smaller.

Scale economics apply really to NTSC based systems, which explains the lower prices.

Carlos

Frank Granovski · December 9th, 2003, 05:11 AM

Well, PAL cams are actually used in Europe, Russia and the Middle East, as well as India etc etc. Korea also uses NTSC as well as other countries in the Americas---and Brazil, a country larger than Australia in both area and population.

Don't forget China. That's one heck of a LARGE market.

December 7th, 2003, 04:57 PM	#1
Richard Longman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sault Ste Marie, Ontario Posts: 17	professional Panasonic format types? There are PAL cams and there are NTSC cams. Are there SECAM cams? How about MESSECAM cams? Does Panasonic Professional make all these format types?

December 7th, 2003, 05:04 PM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	In general no, there are no production cameras for SECAM or MESSECAM. They are broadcast formats and PAL cameras are generally used for acquisition in those countries __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 8th, 2003, 06:49 AM	#5
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December 8th, 2003, 08:58 PM	#7
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The use of PAL or NTSC is more a product of nationalism than which technology is best. Within our lifetimes this barrier to communication will fall. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 8th, 2003, 10:03 PM	#9
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Brazil actually piggybacks an NTSC video signal over the PAL broadcast system. Thus, they use NTSC production equipment. I wonder if PAL is dominant why do manufacterers end up charging us more for PAL equipment... weird. Econocmics of scale should work the aother way around. Is it just because of the slightly higher res? Does not make sense. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

December 8th, 2003, 02:39 AM	#3
Richard Longman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sault Ste Marie, Ontario Posts: 17	Thank you Jeff Donald for clarifying this. I have another question. Which sell more, PAL or NTSC?

December 8th, 2003, 04:26 AM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Jeff? Most likely PAL cams.

December 8th, 2003, 08:14 PM	#6
Richard Longman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sault Ste Marie, Ontario Posts: 17	Thank you Jeff and Frank. I do not mean to go off topic. I am a new boot afterall. I'm curious why we do not all go with PAL camcorders and PAL television. Is not PAL much better than NTSC? This would also eliminate the need to convert formats, and lower production costs.

December 8th, 2003, 09:39 PM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	PAL, SECAM and MESECAM are based on a 50 cycle electrical system, with the exception of Brazil (which seems rather strange---Brazil's PAL system).

December 8th, 2003, 11:09 PM	#10
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Isn't Brazil's PAL only 525 lines---like NTSC?

December 9th, 2003, 02:40 AM	#11
Richard Longman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sault Ste Marie, Ontario Posts: 17	You mean there are different PAL formats - some you have to use a PAL camcorder while others require a NTSC camcorder? Shucks that sucks. Do any camcorders do both?

December 9th, 2003, 04:36 AM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	2 types of cams: PAL & NTSC. Many types of broadcast systems----don't think there is such a cam.

December 9th, 2003, 04:53 AM	#13
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Isn't Brazil's PAL only 525 lines---like NTSC? -->>> It's confusing but it goes like this. Brazil's TV system is 525lines/60Hz based. The PAL-M color sytem is very much like the NTSC system, with the chroma information handled in such a way so as not to have so much interference with mountains, which produce ghosts. As the two main Brazilian cities (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo) have a few mountains within, maybe that's the reason why this hybrid system was created. In any case PAL-M is only used for broadcast. Professional recordings are all done in NTSC and home systems (VCR and DVD) are all NTSC. TVs are all dual system. Hopefully we may see a universal recording system when we get to HD, but unfortunately digital broadcast already has three systems rolling: US, Europe and Japan. So here we go again. Carlos

December 9th, 2003, 05:02 AM	#14
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez : I wonder if PAL is dominant why do manufacterers end up charging us more for PAL equipment... weird. Econocmics of scale should work the aother way around. Is it just because of the slightly higher res? Does not make sense. -->>> I don't have the figures here, but I very much doubt that the NTSC actual market (those that buy video cameras) is smaller than PAL's. In fact I'd say NTSC is probably much larger. There are three very large consumer markets which are NTSC: USA, Japan, Canada and Mexico. Europe and Russia have three different video systems, and are not handled as one market. The rest of the world is mostly underdeveloped, so the markets are much smaller. Scale economics apply really to NTSC based systems, which explains the lower prices. Carlos

December 9th, 2003, 05:11 AM	#15
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Well, PAL cams are actually used in Europe, Russia and the Middle East, as well as India etc etc. Korea also uses NTSC as well as other countries in the Americas---and Brazil, a country larger than Australia in both area and population. Don't forget China. That's one heck of a LARGE market.