DVC30 question

Guy Bruner · March 9th, 2004, 09:11 PM

I believe the DVC80 will disappear. 16x zoom...nice. A lot of folks will be interested in the cine-gamma frame mode...supposedly similar to the DVX100, and a carryover from the GS100K. It is a lot cuter and can be somewhat stripped down to make it look like a consumer cam (although Frank will be happy to hear that it is BLACK). I am disappointed that they gutted the 16:9 mode. I won't buy it for that reason alone.

Mark Williams · March 9th, 2004, 09:12 PM

Yep. 16x lens does it for me. The DVC80 10x lens is not very good for wildlife video. The DVC30 with 2x converter lens would get out to 32x which is just about right for me. If the image quality is as good as the GL2 the choice is clear since the DVC30 has several beneficial features that the GL2 does not. Also, they are not that far apart in price. After a few months they should be even closer.

Regards,

Mark W.

Allan Rejoso · March 9th, 2004, 09:13 PM

Three (3) blade iris with built-in ND filter.

Allan Rejoso · March 9th, 2004, 09:16 PM

DVC30 or VX2100 or GL2???

Mark Williams · March 9th, 2004, 09:21 PM

Hey Guy,

Nice waterfall shots on your web page. Take a look at Mark Morrison's guide to "Waterfall Walks and Drives in Georgia...". I think they have it at the Inn up at Amicolola. If not, I saw it at the store atop Neel's Gap. It gives all the detailed directions to some popular and mainly hard to find waterfalls in N. Ga.

Regards,

Mark

Guy Bruner · March 9th, 2004, 09:28 PM

Thanks, Mark. I think there is a web site on GA waterfalls, too. Or, waterfalls of N. America...something like that. Haven't looked at it in some time. Do you have any of your wildlife shots up on the web?

Joe Garnero · March 10th, 2004, 07:51 AM

I appreciate all the information that DVinfo forums provide. I have before and will now throw my two cents in.

I have been trying to get into DV from still since last Summer. I hve tried a plethora of cameras and found them all to be lacking. I walk a delicate line between ability and capability. The latter to come with experience. Anyway the DVC30 may be the camera that gets me to open my wallet. Sure I like the DVX100's, but I'm no cinematogropher, nor am I paid! I tried the Canon ZR65 - not for me. I then upgraded to the DV953. While I really tried to like this camera it just wasn't meant to be.

Then I tried a PDX10 - way too many smeer problems, terrible balance... OK, try a GL2. Good video, good controls, but the viewfinder was the pits. (Its OK if you shoot from the LCD but remember I'm comming from the SLR stills realm.)

So In my mind there are two candidates. I was all set to buy the DVC80 when I followed the rumors and later confirmation of the DVC30. Smaller size, bigger zoom, better processing (?). I can't wait to get my hands on this baby!

Mark Williams · March 10th, 2004, 09:38 AM

Guy,

I don't have anything posted yet. All my stuff so far has been in the print media and have been slowly making the shift to dv. I am working on a commercial web site that should be up in about 6 months to showcase 2 videos that I have been working on for the past two years. I will also have a photo gallery on the site.

Regards,

Mark W.

Chris Hurd · March 26th, 2004, 02:46 PM

Earlier in this thread I had indicated that I'd find out the lens filter thread diameter on the DVC30. The product manager informs me it is 43mm. Sorry for the delay,

Frank Granovski · March 26th, 2004, 02:57 PM

Thanks, Allan. So it has a 3-blade iris.built-in ND filter; and the threads are 43mm (thanks, Chris). The same threads mean everything should fit from the MX and GS cams, but most professional filters will be unavailable since pro filters usually start at the 49mm thread size (and up).

Tom, could you give us "your take" on 3-blade iris's?

Mark Williams · March 26th, 2004, 05:35 PM

Chris,

Thanks for the info. B&H has a cannon 43mm 1.7x lens but I don't know if it is and good. See it here....

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=233580&is=REG

Do you think the Sony 2x lens with a 58mm to 43mm step down ring would be a better choice?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...#goto_itemInfo

Regards,

Mark

Patricia Kim · March 26th, 2004, 06:35 PM

43mm? Frank, any chance this lessens the possibility of the gs400 appearing in NTSC format? (Okay, my mind works in ways mysterious even to me, but as you mention, 43mm is not the normal "pro" lens.)

Patricia Kim · March 26th, 2004, 06:41 PM

I was just at the B&H site and they have some spec posted. I don't know if they are a mish-mash possibly of the dvx100 specs or not, but they're sayin 1/4" ccds and 72mm filter diameter. Actually makes more sense, given the way the cam is being pitched. So could Chris' Panasonic contact have inadvertantly let the cat out of the bag about the successor to the 953 being in the works?

Mark Williams · March 26th, 2004, 09:00 PM

This is crazy. I've been trying for 4 weeks to simply find out the filter thread size and keep getting diffenent opinions even from the Panasonic folks. The reason this is important to me is I need maximum telephoto capability for wildlife topics and it is an economic issue.

DVC-30 with 72mm threads means century optics 1.7x tel at $850.00 or total package price around $3,100. If its DVC-30 with 43mm threads means 1.7x sony or 2x century with step down ring at in the $250 - $350 range or package price about $2,500

Also if its 72mm then that opens up the option for the PD170 at around $3,250 with tel lens.

I guess the right answer may come only when someone finally gets one in their hands and give us a report for sure.

Arrg!!!!!

Patricia Kim · March 26th, 2004, 09:06 PM

If it makes any difference, the dvc-30 is being advertised as coming with built-in wide angle capability. That would seem to suggest that 72mm is correct. There is a small brochure you can download from the Panasonic site. I don't recall it mentioning 43 or 72 mm, but I think it did mention the wide angle aspect. If you take a look at the B&H site, even though it's possible they could have mixed up some info from the dvx100, the specs they are showing for the cam are consistent with the brochure - at least from what I recall (sorry, I dumped the brochure from my computer sometime ago). And awhile back there were no specs listed on the B&H site, so...

March 26th, 2004, 02:46 PM	#54
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Earlier in this thread I had indicated that I'd find out the lens filter thread diameter on the DVC30. The product manager informs me it is 43mm. Sorry for the delay, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 9th, 2004, 09:11 PM	#46
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	I believe the DVC80 will disappear. 16x zoom...nice. A lot of folks will be interested in the cine-gamma frame mode...supposedly similar to the DVX100, and a carryover from the GS100K. It is a lot cuter and can be somewhat stripped down to make it look like a consumer cam (although Frank will be happy to hear that it is BLACK). I am disappointed that they gutted the 16:9 mode. I won't buy it for that reason alone.

March 9th, 2004, 09:12 PM	#47
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Yep. 16x lens does it for me. The DVC80 10x lens is not very good for wildlife video. The DVC30 with 2x converter lens would get out to 32x which is just about right for me. If the image quality is as good as the GL2 the choice is clear since the DVC30 has several beneficial features that the GL2 does not. Also, they are not that far apart in price. After a few months they should be even closer. Regards, Mark W.

March 9th, 2004, 09:13 PM	#48
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Three (3) blade iris with built-in ND filter.

March 9th, 2004, 09:16 PM	#49
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	DVC30 or VX2100 or GL2???

March 9th, 2004, 09:21 PM	#50
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Hey Guy, Nice waterfall shots on your web page. Take a look at Mark Morrison's guide to "Waterfall Walks and Drives in Georgia...". I think they have it at the Inn up at Amicolola. If not, I saw it at the store atop Neel's Gap. It gives all the detailed directions to some popular and mainly hard to find waterfalls in N. Ga. Regards, Mark

March 9th, 2004, 09:28 PM	#51
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Thanks, Mark. I think there is a web site on GA waterfalls, too. Or, waterfalls of N. America...something like that. Haven't looked at it in some time. Do you have any of your wildlife shots up on the web?

March 10th, 2004, 07:51 AM	#52
Joe Garnero Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 60	I appreciate all the information that DVinfo forums provide. I have before and will now throw my two cents in. I have been trying to get into DV from still since last Summer. I hve tried a plethora of cameras and found them all to be lacking. I walk a delicate line between ability and capability. The latter to come with experience. Anyway the DVC30 may be the camera that gets me to open my wallet. Sure I like the DVX100's, but I'm no cinematogropher, nor am I paid! I tried the Canon ZR65 - not for me. I then upgraded to the DV953. While I really tried to like this camera it just wasn't meant to be. Then I tried a PDX10 - way too many smeer problems, terrible balance... OK, try a GL2. Good video, good controls, but the viewfinder was the pits. (Its OK if you shoot from the LCD but remember I'm comming from the SLR stills realm.) So In my mind there are two candidates. I was all set to buy the DVC80 when I followed the rumors and later confirmation of the DVC30. Smaller size, bigger zoom, better processing (?). I can't wait to get my hands on this baby!

March 10th, 2004, 09:38 AM	#53
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Guy, I don't have anything posted yet. All my stuff so far has been in the print media and have been slowly making the shift to dv. I am working on a commercial web site that should be up in about 6 months to showcase 2 videos that I have been working on for the past two years. I will also have a photo gallery on the site. Regards, Mark W.

March 26th, 2004, 02:57 PM	#55
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks, Allan. So it has a 3-blade iris.built-in ND filter; and the threads are 43mm (thanks, Chris). The same threads mean everything should fit from the MX and GS cams, but most professional filters will be unavailable since pro filters usually start at the 49mm thread size (and up). Tom, could you give us "your take" on 3-blade iris's?

March 26th, 2004, 05:35 PM	#56
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Chris, Thanks for the info. B&H has a cannon 43mm 1.7x lens but I don't know if it is and good. See it here.... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=233580&is=REG Do you think the Sony 2x lens with a 58mm to 43mm step down ring would be a better choice? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...#goto_itemInfo Regards, Mark

March 26th, 2004, 06:35 PM	#57
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	43mm? Frank, any chance this lessens the possibility of the gs400 appearing in NTSC format? (Okay, my mind works in ways mysterious even to me, but as you mention, 43mm is not the normal "pro" lens.)

March 26th, 2004, 06:41 PM	#58
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	I was just at the B&H site and they have some spec posted. I don't know if they are a mish-mash possibly of the dvx100 specs or not, but they're sayin 1/4" ccds and 72mm filter diameter. Actually makes more sense, given the way the cam is being pitched. So could Chris' Panasonic contact have inadvertantly let the cat out of the bag about the successor to the 953 being in the works?

March 26th, 2004, 09:00 PM	#59
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	This is crazy. I've been trying for 4 weeks to simply find out the filter thread size and keep getting diffenent opinions even from the Panasonic folks. The reason this is important to me is I need maximum telephoto capability for wildlife topics and it is an economic issue. DVC-30 with 72mm threads means century optics 1.7x tel at $850.00 or total package price around $3,100. If its DVC-30 with 43mm threads means 1.7x sony or 2x century with step down ring at in the $250 - $350 range or package price about $2,500 Also if its 72mm then that opens up the option for the PD170 at around $3,250 with tel lens. I guess the right answer may come only when someone finally gets one in their hands and give us a report for sure. Arrg!!!!!

March 26th, 2004, 09:06 PM	#60
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	If it makes any difference, the dvc-30 is being advertised as coming with built-in wide angle capability. That would seem to suggest that 72mm is correct. There is a small brochure you can download from the Panasonic site. I don't recall it mentioning 43 or 72 mm, but I think it did mention the wide angle aspect. If you take a look at the B&H site, even though it's possible they could have mixed up some info from the dvx100, the specs they are showing for the cam are consistent with the brochure - at least from what I recall (sorry, I dumped the brochure from my computer sometime ago). And awhile back there were no specs listed on the B&H site, so...