24p questions

Barry Green · October 7th, 2005, 11:40 AM

What you want to do is possible; I just don't know if it can be done in Premiere Pro. Hopefully someone will weigh in who's done it. In Vegas it's very easy -- just drop the 30p clip into a 24p timeline, right-click it and select "playback rate: 0.80" (for 80% speed). Then you get frame-accurate fillm-style slow motion, and it delivers a quite nice slow-mo effect.

Preston Herrick · October 7th, 2005, 01:06 PM

Dropping your 30p clip into 24p timeline will not automatically slow it down (which is what I meant by "Premiere will not affect any speed changes"). I should have added the word "automatically". That's what you implied in your question.

Like Barry suggests, to get good slo-mo, shoot that material in 30p and slow it down to 80%. Any version of Premiere can do slo-mo easily. In this case 80% is the magic number for the highest quality from 30p footage. Of course, you could select any other percentage but it won't be as smooth. It may or may not require rendering. BTW, non-realtime previews in Premiere are low res, so don't be alarmed. Once it's rendered, WYSIWYG.

Oh, and I'll plug Barry's book while I'm at it! Worthwhile purchase if you haven't already done so.

Jake Zalutsky · October 7th, 2005, 01:28 PM

I wouldnt consider droping speed of a clip in premiere...its horrible its uses tons of frame blending and just looks bad...but yea 80% is the number I guess

-thanks alot.

Stephanie Wilson · October 8th, 2005, 08:48 PM

Hi all,

I have a Panasonic DVX-100A and would have posted this question on that forum but there doesn't seem to be alot of activity there. So thought I would throw this out to all of you brainiacs and see if someone could help.

I have a director that wants to shoot in 24p for a youth Diabetes walk tomorrow. Having never used 24p, I tried to dissuade her because of the smearing problem I have read about on this site, but in reality I was trying to get her to change her mind because of my lack of experience with this format. Uh-oh.....

That confession made, I now need to know anything and everything you men and women are willing to take the time to share. I'm sure I can set the menu to record in 24p but are there any other recording issues I should be aware of? How to control the smearing on pans? Do I need to try and hold hand-held shots even more steadily because of the flutter? Please alert me to everything I might not know, which is embarrassingly, everything. Sorry for the huge request. My bad for not researching this earlier, but I just found out about this 24p assignment today.....

THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE,

Steph

Jack Barker · October 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM

Hi Steph,

Start here:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html
After that, there's not much else to say - it's that good.

Good luck.

Stephanie Wilson · October 8th, 2005, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Barker

Hi Steph,

Start here:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html
After that, there's not much else to say - it's that good.

Good luck.

Thank you so much for the reply, Jack.

I'll try the link you suggested now.

Thanks again,

Steph

Michael Rowe · October 9th, 2005, 02:58 AM

Hi Stephanie,

I stumbled upon this thread you might find useful in a pinch:

http://www.uemforums.com/2pop/ubbthr...6495&Main=6466

Hope it helps a little & best of luck with your shoot!

~Mike

Daniel Runyon · October 9th, 2005, 03:54 AM

Really, it's not a big bear....you can shoot pretty loosely with 24p and not have any glaringly obvious defects in your footage, even the panning smear. Handheld is no different. I mean, the "smear" or rather "studder" is there while panning sort of slowly, but not slow enough for a real smooth image, but these are subtle things, nothing that would "ruin" your footage. It's just a compromise that must be taken into consideration for certain types of shots...for instance if you were panning across a landscape. You should keep in mind that the movie Murderball, about quadroplegic wheelchair sports, was shot with the DVX using 24p, and a lot of the footage was from cameras strapped to the very much in motion wheel chair athletes themselves. To sum it up, it is my opinion (one informed by having shot hundreds of hours of DVX 24p footage) that you really don't have anything to worry about in this regard for the type of footage it seems you'll be shooting. But you will want to spend some time getting to know the camera (no matter what you shoot with) before showtime. You'll simply have to have a feel for it, knowing things like how to operate the iris/focus/neutral density filters/white balance. Dont worry too much about the menu settings, you can just use scene file 6 with all parameters set at default values and get amazing 24p footage, assuming your compositions are good.

Kelly McCluskey · November 8th, 2005, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Barker

Hi Steph,

Start here:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html
After that, there's not much else to say - it's that good.

Good luck.

What a great resource. Thanks!

Stephanie Wilson · November 9th, 2005, 03:53 AM

Dear Jack, Michael and Daniel

Have been away from the forum for awhile...But now wanted to thank you for your replies. They will be very helpful to me and other readers I'm sure.

Thank you so much for taking the time to address this issue.

Stephanie

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 14th, 2006, 03:53 AM

not sure if this is the right sub forum, please move it if it is not, thanx and sorry
anyway,

i'm almost done my film, shot 90% on dvx100a in 24p, editied in pro and AE

here is site http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com
http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com/trailer

enjoy

Saturnin

Lyndon Golanowski · January 17th, 2006, 02:07 PM

looks really good man! good AE comp's too.

What camera/capture settings did you use cause mine is coming out like junk!

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 17th, 2006, 02:15 PM

i shot in scene dial f5 on the dvx, white balanced for each shoot.
some of the shots i shot with diff shutter speeds etc... but majority were on stock settings.

the interviews were shot with two kino flows 500watt and umbrellas, didnt have the softboxes. One of the interviews only used a back light

captured on pro 1.0 and imported to 1.5 due to the fact that i had both 60i footage and 24p and 1.5 doesnt like em both(but thats another story)

did some cc in AE and premiere
right now i'm mixing sound in pro 1.5
and its turning out well

Ed Hill · January 20th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Nicely done action shots. Tight editing.

Nice trailer.

Ed

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 20th, 2006, 07:55 PM

thanx...i will have another trailer done before the release...differnt style

October 8th, 2005, 08:48 PM	#529
Stephanie Wilson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sherman Oaks CA Posts: 255	Help with 24P please Hi all, I have a Panasonic DVX-100A and would have posted this question on that forum but there doesn't seem to be alot of activity there. So thought I would throw this out to all of you brainiacs and see if someone could help. I have a director that wants to shoot in 24p for a youth Diabetes walk tomorrow. Having never used 24p, I tried to dissuade her because of the smearing problem I have read about on this site, but in reality I was trying to get her to change her mind because of my lack of experience with this format. Uh-oh..... That confession made, I now need to know anything and everything you men and women are willing to take the time to share. I'm sure I can set the menu to record in 24p but are there any other recording issues I should be aware of? How to control the smearing on pans? Do I need to try and hold hand-held shots even more steadily because of the flutter? Please alert me to everything I might not know, which is embarrassingly, everything. Sorry for the huge request. My bad for not researching this earlier, but I just found out about this 24p assignment today..... THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE, Steph

January 14th, 2006, 03:53 AM	#536
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	extreme sports film- shot on DVX100a 24p trailer not sure if this is the right sub forum, please move it if it is not, thanx and sorry anyway, i'm almost done my film, shot 90% on dvx100a in 24p, editied in pro and AE here is site http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com/trailer enjoy Saturnin __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 17th, 2006, 02:15 PM	#538
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	i shot in scene dial f5 on the dvx, white balanced for each shoot. some of the shots i shot with diff shutter speeds etc... but majority were on stock settings. the interviews were shot with two kino flows 500watt and umbrellas, didnt have the softboxes. One of the interviews only used a back light captured on pro 1.0 and imported to 1.5 due to the fact that i had both 60i footage and 24p and 1.5 doesnt like em both(but thats another story) did some cc in AE and premiere right now i'm mixing sound in pro 1.5 and its turning out well __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 20th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#539
Ed Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 104	Nicely done action shots. Tight editing. Nice trailer. Ed __________________ Ed Hill HighlyDef Productions, Atlanta, GA prblog.edhillpr.com Video and Online Advertising ed@highlydef.com

January 20th, 2006, 07:55 PM	#540
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	thanx...i will have another trailer done before the release...differnt style __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

October 7th, 2005, 11:40 AM	#526
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	What you want to do is possible; I just don't know if it can be done in Premiere Pro. Hopefully someone will weigh in who's done it. In Vegas it's very easy -- just drop the 30p clip into a 24p timeline, right-click it and select "playback rate: 0.80" (for 80% speed). Then you get frame-accurate fillm-style slow motion, and it delivers a quite nice slow-mo effect.

October 7th, 2005, 01:06 PM	#527
Preston Herrick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 44	Dropping your 30p clip into 24p timeline will not automatically slow it down (which is what I meant by "Premiere will not affect any speed changes"). I should have added the word "automatically". That's what you implied in your question. Like Barry suggests, to get good slo-mo, shoot that material in 30p and slow it down to 80%. Any version of Premiere can do slo-mo easily. In this case 80% is the magic number for the highest quality from 30p footage. Of course, you could select any other percentage but it won't be as smooth. It may or may not require rendering. BTW, non-realtime previews in Premiere are low res, so don't be alarmed. Once it's rendered, WYSIWYG. Oh, and I'll plug Barry's book while I'm at it! Worthwhile purchase if you haven't already done so.

October 7th, 2005, 01:28 PM	#528
Jake Zalutsky New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 18	I wouldnt consider droping speed of a clip in premiere...its horrible its uses tons of frame blending and just looks bad...but yea 80% is the number I guess -thanks alot.

October 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM	#530
Jack Barker Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 342	Hi Steph, Start here: http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html After that, there's not much else to say - it's that good. Good luck.

October 9th, 2005, 02:58 AM	#532
Michael Rowe Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 84	Hi Stephanie, I stumbled upon this thread you might find useful in a pinch: http://www.uemforums.com/2pop/ubbthr...6495&Main=6466 Hope it helps a little & best of luck with your shoot! ~Mike

October 9th, 2005, 03:54 AM	#533
Daniel Runyon Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Deep South Posts: 168	Really, it's not a big bear....you can shoot pretty loosely with 24p and not have any glaringly obvious defects in your footage, even the panning smear. Handheld is no different. I mean, the "smear" or rather "studder" is there while panning sort of slowly, but not slow enough for a real smooth image, but these are subtle things, nothing that would "ruin" your footage. It's just a compromise that must be taken into consideration for certain types of shots...for instance if you were panning across a landscape. You should keep in mind that the movie Murderball, about quadroplegic wheelchair sports, was shot with the DVX using 24p, and a lot of the footage was from cameras strapped to the very much in motion wheel chair athletes themselves. To sum it up, it is my opinion (one informed by having shot hundreds of hours of DVX 24p footage) that you really don't have anything to worry about in this regard for the type of footage it seems you'll be shooting. But you will want to spend some time getting to know the camera (no matter what you shoot with) before showtime. You'll simply have to have a feel for it, knowing things like how to operate the iris/focus/neutral density filters/white balance. Dont worry too much about the menu settings, you can just use scene file 6 with all parameters set at default values and get amazing 24p footage, assuming your compositions are good.

November 9th, 2005, 03:53 AM	#535
Stephanie Wilson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sherman Oaks CA Posts: 255	Dear Jack, Michael and Daniel Have been away from the forum for awhile...But now wanted to thank you for your replies. They will be very helpful to me and other readers I'm sure. Thank you so much for taking the time to address this issue. Stephanie

January 17th, 2006, 02:07 PM	#537
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	looks really good man! good AE comp's too. What camera/capture settings did you use cause mine is coming out like junk!