DVC80, DVC30, & CinemaGamma? at DVinfo.net

Robert Kirkpatrick · May 25th, 2004, 12:34 PM

Looking at the Panasonic page for the DVC30, it says it comes with "CinemaGamma" software -- is this built into the camera or is it actual software? (I'm confused since it's listed as a "software" for the DVX100 as well.) Anyone know what that is, or how it works? Any experience at all with it? Does it mimic that CinemaGamma feature inherent on the DVX100?

Also, since the DVC80 is no longer listed on the Panasonic site, does anyone know if it has the CinemaGamma software as well?

The only reason I ask is that the thing I like about the most about the DVX100 is the Cinema settings. The 24p is not as big a deal. I can use software for that (although I'm aware of the loss of resolution). But I can't seem to mimic the Cinema settings to my liking.

I'm a little confused, and I've read enough to just confuse myself further. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Michael Summers · May 25th, 2004, 02:52 PM

yes, the dvc30 has built in cinegamma, no the dvc80 does not. no external software.

Mark Williams · May 25th, 2004, 04:34 PM

I ordered a DVC30 today from Profeel for $1,977.95. Should be here next Wed. I'll post something on CinemaGamma setting as soon as I figure out how everything works.

Mark

Tommy Haupfear · May 31st, 2004, 12:28 PM

Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. Of course neither the GS100 or DVC30 have adjustable gamma settings like that of the DVX100/DVX100A.

The DVC80 lacks any cine-like gamma modes and also does not have frame mode or progressive scan.

Robert Kirkpatrick · May 31st, 2004, 09:16 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. >>>

I know it's a bit early, but does anyone where I might be able to see any stills or any clips of the DVC30 shot in cine-like mode? (Sorry for the millions of my questions -- I really appreciate all y'all's helps and pointers.)

Tommy Haupfear · May 31st, 2004, 09:44 PM

I have yet to find any frames or clips of the DVC30 other than this one odd link and it links to a Japanese site with small pictures that may or may not have originated on a DVC30.

http://homepage.mac.com/Kakuito/iblo...7/E1874682662/

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2004, 08:56 AM

Yes, it is taken by AG-DVC30 with 30P/Cinelike gamma. (May I ask why odd?)

Maybe I can post some other shots for you folks to see. Please give me a few days.

Tommy Haupfear · June 1st, 2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

(May I ask why odd?)

Odd in that you wouldn't expect to find DVC30 information there but appreciated all the same.

BTW - that little picture is of a Sony PDX10.

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2004, 09:29 AM

I was using PDX10 for last year since Panasonic cams were not well implementing anamorphic. So my icon for Video/Creative entry is PDX10. I'm liking the control and 30p capability on AG30 now, so soon I will switch more towards to Panasonic cams. Like yourself, I purchased the GS100k (black) and it should arrive tomorrow. How is the anamorphic mode on GS100k?

Tommy Haupfear · June 1st, 2004, 09:35 AM

I strictly shoot in widescreen and Pro Cinema on the GS100 and I'm a big fan. Of course I would rather have 1/3" or 1/4" CCDs but for the price its great. My last cam was a PDX10 and I want to consider the DVC30 but the lack of a quality 16:9 mode has discouraged me.

This is a Pro Cinema frame (unaltered other than JPG compression) of my daughter.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-...ProCinema1.jpg

Congratulations on finding a GS100 (especially a black one). I see that Pansonic Japan has started pushing it out the door on their website.

NASA has chosen the GS100 as their next rover camera.. (j/k)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-...ckMERMamba.jpg

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2004, 04:58 PM

I, too, shoot only in 16:9 mode. I get really discouraged with 4:3. Since I shoot mostly music performance and extreme sport events, PDX10's clumsy zoom control have given me the frustration. PDX10 is okay if you use extrenal lanc controller with tripod, or not using zoom at all when it is on my Glidecam. So, I will keep one PDX10 for the better 16:9 shooting. You are right about the quality on 16:9 with AG30, but since it does take 30p, which the resolution is twice as high as interlace, the picture look acceptable. I will post the still and the short movie on my web site for you to look at after my deadline for magazine article.

Thank you for showing me the captures. They look beautiful.

For further referece, I'm sure you have come across to this page but just in case you did not.
http://www8.big.or.jp/~a_fuyu/PA/GS100/GS100p.html

Oh, what is your guess on 16:9 quality on NV-GS400?

Dave Croft · June 1st, 2004, 06:31 PM

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the cine gamma on the ag-dvc30 is the same as on the DVX100? I read that it cannot be adjusted like the DVX, but can it look similar? Have people shot with both the 30 and the DVX to see how close the gamma settings look? Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't been able to find much info about this.

I'm thinking about getting a dvc30, because I can't afford a DVX, and it looks like a good cheaper alternative. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Dave.

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2004, 07:37 PM

Hi Dave,

DVC30 can let you adjust parameters like detail level/chroma level/color temp/master ped/ae shift/skin tone dtl/rec mode.

So, actually, DVC's cine-like is in the general scene file and the file is adjustable preset, and detail level is down to -3, chroma level is set up to +4, AE shift is set to -3 and rec mode being "frame". Maybe little diffrent from DVX100?

Kaku Ito · June 6th, 2004, 08:01 AM

I posted the still from NV-GS100 and AG-DVC30 both in movie-like mode (Squeeze Wide).

http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/iblog/SoMuchInLife/B1199311744/C91299427/E741964745/index.html

Tommy Haupfear · June 6th, 2004, 08:59 AM

Wow Kaku, those are some great shots demonstrating the difference in widescreen mode between the GS100 and DVC30.

That pretty much rules out a DVC30 upgrade for me since I shoot stricly 16:9.

A million thanks!

May 25th, 2004, 12:34 PM	#1
Robert Kirkpatrick Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 199	DVC80, DVC30, & CinemaGamma? Looking at the Panasonic page for the DVC30, it says it comes with "CinemaGamma" software -- is this built into the camera or is it actual software? (I'm confused since it's listed as a "software" for the DVX100 as well.) Anyone know what that is, or how it works? Any experience at all with it? Does it mimic that CinemaGamma feature inherent on the DVX100? Also, since the DVC80 is no longer listed on the Panasonic site, does anyone know if it has the CinemaGamma software as well? The only reason I ask is that the thing I like about the most about the DVX100 is the Cinema settings. The 24p is not as big a deal. I can use software for that (although I'm aware of the loss of resolution). But I can't seem to mimic the Cinema settings to my liking. I'm a little confused, and I've read enough to just confuse myself further. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

May 25th, 2004, 02:52 PM	#2
Michael Summers Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 65	yes, the dvc30 has built in cinegamma, no the dvc80 does not. no external software. __________________ www.astrosecretfilms.com real independent

June 1st, 2004, 08:56 AM	#7
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Hi, Yes, it is taken by AG-DVC30 with 30P/Cinelike gamma. (May I ask why odd?) Maybe I can post some other shots for you folks to see. Please give me a few days.

June 1st, 2004, 09:29 AM	#9
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	IC I was using PDX10 for last year since Panasonic cams were not well implementing anamorphic. So my icon for Video/Creative entry is PDX10. I'm liking the control and 30p capability on AG30 now, so soon I will switch more towards to Panasonic cams. Like yourself, I purchased the GS100k (black) and it should arrive tomorrow. How is the anamorphic mode on GS100k?

June 6th, 2004, 08:01 AM	#14
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	posted the shots... I posted the still from NV-GS100 and AG-DVC30 both in movie-like mode (Squeeze Wide). http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/iblog/SoMuchInLife/B1199311744/C91299427/E741964745/index.html

May 25th, 2004, 04:34 PM	#3
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	I ordered a DVC30 today from Profeel for $1,977.95. Should be here next Wed. I'll post something on CinemaGamma setting as soon as I figure out how everything works. Mark

May 31st, 2004, 12:28 PM	#4
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. Of course neither the GS100 or DVC30 have adjustable gamma settings like that of the DVX100/DVX100A. The DVC80 lacks any cine-like gamma modes and also does not have frame mode or progressive scan.

May 31st, 2004, 09:16 PM	#5
Robert Kirkpatrick Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 199	<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. >>> I know it's a bit early, but does anyone where I might be able to see any stills or any clips of the DVC30 shot in cine-like mode? (Sorry for the millions of my questions -- I really appreciate all y'all's helps and pointers.)

May 31st, 2004, 09:44 PM	#6
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I have yet to find any frames or clips of the DVC30 other than this one odd link and it links to a Japanese site with small pictures that may or may not have originated on a DVC30. http://homepage.mac.com/Kakuito/iblo...7/E1874682662/

June 1st, 2004, 09:35 AM	#10
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I strictly shoot in widescreen and Pro Cinema on the GS100 and I'm a big fan. Of course I would rather have 1/3" or 1/4" CCDs but for the price its great. My last cam was a PDX10 and I want to consider the DVC30 but the lack of a quality 16:9 mode has discouraged me. This is a Pro Cinema frame (unaltered other than JPG compression) of my daughter. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-...ProCinema1.jpg Congratulations on finding a GS100 (especially a black one). I see that Pansonic Japan has started pushing it out the door on their website. NASA has chosen the GS100 as their next rover camera.. (j/k) http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-...ckMERMamba.jpg

June 1st, 2004, 04:58 PM	#11
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	I, too, shoot only in 16:9 mode. I get really discouraged with 4:3. Since I shoot mostly music performance and extreme sport events, PDX10's clumsy zoom control have given me the frustration. PDX10 is okay if you use extrenal lanc controller with tripod, or not using zoom at all when it is on my Glidecam. So, I will keep one PDX10 for the better 16:9 shooting. You are right about the quality on 16:9 with AG30, but since it does take 30p, which the resolution is twice as high as interlace, the picture look acceptable. I will post the still and the short movie on my web site for you to look at after my deadline for magazine article. Thank you for showing me the captures. They look beautiful. For further referece, I'm sure you have come across to this page but just in case you did not. http://www8.big.or.jp/~a_fuyu/PA/GS100/GS100p.html Oh, what is your guess on 16:9 quality on NV-GS400?

June 1st, 2004, 06:31 PM	#12
Dave Croft Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorks UK Posts: 89	Hi all, Does anyone know if the cine gamma on the ag-dvc30 is the same as on the DVX100? I read that it cannot be adjusted like the DVX, but can it look similar? Have people shot with both the 30 and the DVX to see how close the gamma settings look? Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't been able to find much info about this. I'm thinking about getting a dvc30, because I can't afford a DVX, and it looks like a good cheaper alternative. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Dave.

June 1st, 2004, 07:37 PM	#13
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Hi Dave, DVC30 can let you adjust parameters like detail level/chroma level/color temp/master ped/ae shift/skin tone dtl/rec mode. So, actually, DVC's cine-like is in the general scene file and the file is adjustable preset, and detail level is down to -3, chroma level is set up to +4, AE shift is set to -3 and rec mode being "frame". Maybe little diffrent from DVX100?

June 6th, 2004, 08:59 AM	#15
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Wow Kaku, those are some great shots demonstrating the difference in widescreen mode between the GS100 and DVC30. That pretty much rules out a DVC30 upgrade for me since I shoot stricly 16:9. A million thanks!