Panasonic please respond...

Tim Polster · November 17th, 2007, 08:15 AM

Tingsern,

Does the clip retain sharpness after using neat video?

The HVX-200 is being used for some great work, so I don't want to bash it but when put next to the EX (basically the same price) the 1080p resolution chips and 2 stops more of light gathering give me pause.

I do see Panasonic with some ground to make up.

TingSern Wong · November 17th, 2007, 08:32 AM

It looks even sharper after passing it through Neat Video. I am now uploading the video to Bill for his judgment call.

Basically, the noise in the video makes the image looks soft. After removing the noise, the video looks very much cleaner, and on my HD broadcast monitor, it looks even sharper.

TingSern Wong · November 17th, 2007, 08:33 AM

Bill,

I have just transmitted the Quicktime MOV file to your email id. It is a 6MB file ... please acknowledge receipt.

Thanks,
TS

Bill Edmunds · November 17th, 2007, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

Bill,

I have just transmitted the Quicktime MOV file to your email id. It is a 6MB file ... please acknowledge receipt.

Thanks,
TS

Got it! Looks very impressive. I'd like to see something shot at 12db. But this really looks better than DeNoise.

TingSern Wong · November 17th, 2007, 09:47 AM

The original video was shot at Medium Gain. 9dB. I can do a test for you tomorrow - at 12dB and pass it through Neat Video.

Bill Edmunds · November 17th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

The original video was shot at Medium Gain. 9dB. I can do a test for you tomorrow - at 12dB and pass it through Neat Video.

That would be great -- thank you! And I'd still love to see some still frames at full, uncompressed HD res if you can manage it. Thanks again!

Chris Hurd · November 17th, 2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

Can this website accept a 5MB video?

Yes it can -- look for "manage attachments" below the text area input field when posting a reply.

Dean Harrington · November 17th, 2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

It looks even sharper after passing it through Neat Video. I am now uploading the video to Bill for his judgment call.

Basically, the noise in the video makes the image looks soft. After removing the noise, the video looks very much cleaner, and on my HD broadcast monitor, it looks even sharper.

This is a windows product according to the site. Too bad. Any suggestions on noise reduction for Mac?

Bill Edmunds · November 17th, 2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Harrington

This is a windows product according to the site. Too bad. Any suggestions on noise reduction for Mac?

They're working on a Mac version that should be out in the summer. You can still use this version in Bootcamp if you have it.

Dean Harrington · November 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM

Had bootcamp crash my windows and mac side of the system when I put in a security system that conflicted with windows. What a nightmare getting everything up and running again. I'm staying away from windows for awhile.

TingSern Wong · November 18th, 2007, 12:59 AM

For those hooked on Mac - I can't offer any solution right now. You have to interface with the developers.

I have evaluated several noise reduction programs - and Neat Video is the best (so far).

Bill - did I see "summer"? You mean next year's then? At least 9 months to wait. Oh well.

I did put in a request for them to develop a filter for EDIUS (I am using that NLE) - and they responded very favorably to my request. It is in their wish list already. Meantime, I use the After Effect's version.

TingSern Wong · November 18th, 2007, 04:00 AM

Let's hope DVINFO.NET don't crash on me ...

3 Quicktime MOV files + 2 JPEG files here.

All the QT MOV files are in 2 sections - the first is the original clip, the second is what comes out of Neat Video filter in After Effects.

0dB - no gain applied ("L" setting)
6dB - 6dB ("M" setting on my camera)
12dB - 12dB ("H" setting on my camera)

The JPEG files are the stills taken from the 12dB section - the noisiest of the 3 clips. The first JPEG shows the original, the second shows the output from Neat Video.

The video are compressed using Sorenson Squeeze. I have lightened the clips so that the noise can be easily seen.

***
Only managed to upload the JPEG files ... the MOV files are 6MB each. I tried to upload one MOV file - it failed. Chris, please check the server for space first. Thanks.

TingSern Wong · November 18th, 2007, 09:15 AM

Bill,

I have sent you one email with an attachment - that contains the 12dB MOV. Please acknowledge receipt. Thanks.

Bill Edmunds · November 18th, 2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

Bill,

I have sent you one email with an attachment - that contains the 12dB MOV. Please acknowledge receipt. Thanks.

Got it! Wow... that's really incredible! I don't see the blatant softening of the image that I've seen in other programs. Man, I wish they would hurry up and release the Mac version.

TingSern Wong · November 18th, 2007, 09:46 AM

You may now excuse me for saying this ... With this program "Neat Video" - I would say that the excessive noise HVX202 produces is now no longer a problem. It is controllable, as you have seen it first hand for yourself.

November 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM	#25
Dean Harrington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tokyo Posts: 898	bootcamp ... Had bootcamp crash my windows and mac side of the system when I put in a security system that conflicted with windows. What a nightmare getting everything up and running again. I'm staying away from windows for awhile.

November 18th, 2007, 04:00 AM	#27
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Let's hope DVINFO.NET don't crash on me ... 3 Quicktime MOV files + 2 JPEG files here. All the QT MOV files are in 2 sections - the first is the original clip, the second is what comes out of Neat Video filter in After Effects. 0dB - no gain applied ("L" setting) 6dB - 6dB ("M" setting on my camera) 12dB - 12dB ("H" setting on my camera) The JPEG files are the stills taken from the 12dB section - the noisiest of the 3 clips. The first JPEG shows the original, the second shows the output from Neat Video. The video are compressed using Sorenson Squeeze. I have lightened the clips so that the noise can be easily seen. *** Only managed to upload the JPEG files ... the MOV files are 6MB each. I tried to upload one MOV file - it failed. Chris, please check the server for space first. Thanks. Attached Thumbnails

November 17th, 2007, 08:15 AM	#16
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Tingsern, Does the clip retain sharpness after using neat video? The HVX-200 is being used for some great work, so I don't want to bash it but when put next to the EX (basically the same price) the 1080p resolution chips and 2 stops more of light gathering give me pause. I do see Panasonic with some ground to make up.

November 17th, 2007, 08:32 AM	#17
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	It looks even sharper after passing it through Neat Video. I am now uploading the video to Bill for his judgment call. Basically, the noise in the video makes the image looks soft. After removing the noise, the video looks very much cleaner, and on my HD broadcast monitor, it looks even sharper.

November 17th, 2007, 08:33 AM	#18
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Bill, I have just transmitted the Quicktime MOV file to your email id. It is a 6MB file ... please acknowledge receipt. Thanks, TS

November 17th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#20
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	The original video was shot at Medium Gain. 9dB. I can do a test for you tomorrow - at 12dB and pass it through Neat Video.

November 18th, 2007, 12:59 AM	#26
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	For those hooked on Mac - I can't offer any solution right now. You have to interface with the developers. I have evaluated several noise reduction programs - and Neat Video is the best (so far). Bill - did I see "summer"? You mean next year's then? At least 9 months to wait. Oh well. I did put in a request for them to develop a filter for EDIUS (I am using that NLE) - and they responded very favorably to my request. It is in their wish list already. Meantime, I use the After Effect's version.

November 18th, 2007, 09:15 AM	#28
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Bill, I have sent you one email with an attachment - that contains the 12dB MOV. Please acknowledge receipt. Thanks.

November 18th, 2007, 09:46 AM	#30
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	You may now excuse me for saying this ... With this program "Neat Video" - I would say that the excessive noise HVX202 produces is now no longer a problem. It is controllable, as you have seen it first hand for yourself.