New DVCPro HD / P2

Radek Svoboda · March 30th, 2005, 12:42 PM

Add to it famous Panasonic reliability.

Betsy Moore · March 30th, 2005, 12:50 PM

Can we just have an option for 1080 24p and get it over with instead of having to make all these Sophie's Choices?

Barry Green · March 30th, 2005, 01:55 PM

I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :)

(of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...)

But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p!

Lawrence Bansbach · March 30th, 2005, 04:32 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Green : I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :)

(of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...)

But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p! -->>>

Wouldn't it be possible to do it as 1080Ps24 in the 1080i stream, as Sony was (wrongly) rumored to be doing with the Z1? Because the P2 is solid-state, theoretically it could support both 720p and 1080i (and indeed the DVCPro HD format does). One of the Panasonic MPEG-2 mock-ups had an accompanying card with tentative specs (http://www.pbase.com/pappasartshd/image/35515106) clearly stating support for 720p30, 1080i60, and 1080p30! This means that the CCDs support 1080p scanning. Although 1080p24 (or any 24p) is conspicuously absent from the listed specs, I would assume that it could be inserted, as I said, into the 1080i60 stream and recovered with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown. But it would probably be recorded at the full 100-Mbps datarate, rendering 1080p24 impractical until higher-capacity P2 cards are available.

Gary McClurg · March 30th, 2005, 05:18 PM

That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway.

Radek Svoboda · March 30th, 2005, 05:40 PM

It lists 1080 25p and 50 Mbps. 25p or 24p, same difference.

The <10,000 USD camera supposed to be different one.

Panasonic does not give details. They may shock everyone with 1080 24 or 25p.

Lawrence Bansbach · March 31st, 2005, 09:03 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Gary McClurg : That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway. -->>>

I know it doesn't list 24p, and I said so. However, as long ago as NAB 2004, Joseph Facchini, director of Product Marketing for Panasonic Broadcast, said the P2 camcorder would support 24p. My point about the mock-up specs was that Panasonic considered it feasible to support 1080i60, 1080p30, 720p30, and 720p60 all on one prosumer camcorder. I then extrapolated that Pansonic could do 24p within the 1080i stream in a fashion similar to how it did it in SD with the DVX100.

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 09:44 AM

http://www.whatsnewatnab.com/search/code.php?code=031

This one is for you Betsy. ;-)

Ignacio Rodriguez · March 31st, 2005, 09:51 AM

Awesome. The 1080p24 thing just went from US$100k to less than US$10k.

Michael Pappas · March 31st, 2005, 10:13 AM

Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention?

Jan, I am glad you guys stayed with the DVX100 look. From the image atleast that's what it kinda looks like. Ofcourse i never got under silk sheets with my DVX100 before so i don't know that for sure. Hmmmm!

As I said before the DVX100 was my favorite of the 24p cams and gave me the best image in it's class.

Glad to see that it has 1080I. I have a firend that does a show for the outdoor channel and needed 1080I, he had concerns that you guys might not have the 60I look. Now I can call him and let him know....

Michael Papppas
http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS

<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : http://www.whatsnewatnab.com/search/code.php?code=031

This one is for you Betsy. ;-) -->>>

Betsy Moore · March 31st, 2005, 11:41 AM

Thanks, Jan, I'll sing at your renewal vows!

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 12:19 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention?
Michael Papppas
http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS

Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early.

Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-)

Chris Hurd · March 31st, 2005, 12:31 PM

<< Yes it is, I was suprised that it hit early. >>

Funny how that tends to happen in this business! For example JVC misfired with their ProHD press release when WEVA published it too early, and then retracted it. And last July the Canon XL2 announcement went out six hours ahead of time by accident. I don't know how you marketing folks endure in the face of those circumstances.

Michael Pappas · March 31st, 2005, 01:08 PM

Jan,

Those extra bits are more like Howitzer weapon points to the competition that you now have Jan.

I would hate to be the competition today. Hmmm, I wonder how the competition will promote at NAB knowing that their cameras are not so on top of the hill. More like half way down compared to what the HVX200 has.

Again good work Panasonic.

Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS

<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston :
Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early.

Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-) -->>>

Jesse Bekas · March 31st, 2005, 01:18 PM

Wow. Just wow. 1080p24. :)

Did you just get married Jan? If, so congratulations!

March 31st, 2005, 09:44 AM	#113
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	Sneak Peak http://www.whatsnewatnab.com/search/code.php?code=031 This one is for you Betsy. ;-) __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 31st, 2005, 09:51 AM	#114
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Awesome. The 1080p24 thing just went from US$100k to less than US$10k. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

March 31st, 2005, 10:13 AM	#115
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Re: Sneak Peak Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention? Jan, I am glad you guys stayed with the DVX100 look. From the image atleast that's what it kinda looks like. Ofcourse i never got under silk sheets with my DVX100 before so i don't know that for sure. Hmmmm! As I said before the DVX100 was my favorite of the 24p cams and gave me the best image in it's class. Glad to see that it has 1080I. I have a firend that does a show for the outdoor channel and needed 1080I, he had concerns that you guys might not have the 60I look. Now I can call him and let him know.... Michael Papppas http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS <<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : http://www.whatsnewatnab.com/search/code.php?code=031 This one is for you Betsy. ;-) -->>>

March 31st, 2005, 12:19 PM	#117
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	Re: Re: Sneak Peak <<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention? Michael Papppas http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early. Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-) __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 31st, 2005, 12:31 PM	#118
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	<< Yes it is, I was suprised that it hit early. >> Funny how that tends to happen in this business! For example JVC misfired with their ProHD press release when WEVA published it too early, and then retracted it. And last July the Canon XL2 announcement went out six hours ahead of time by accident. I don't know how you marketing folks endure in the face of those circumstances. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 30th, 2005, 12:42 PM	#106
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	Add to it famous Panasonic reliability.

March 30th, 2005, 12:50 PM	#107
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	Can we just have an option for 1080 24p and get it over with instead of having to make all these Sophie's Choices?

March 30th, 2005, 01:55 PM	#108
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :) (of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...) But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p!

March 30th, 2005, 04:32 PM	#109
Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Green : I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :) (of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...) But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p! -->>> Wouldn't it be possible to do it as 1080Ps24 in the 1080i stream, as Sony was (wrongly) rumored to be doing with the Z1? Because the P2 is solid-state, theoretically it could support both 720p and 1080i (and indeed the DVCPro HD format does). One of the Panasonic MPEG-2 mock-ups had an accompanying card with tentative specs (http://www.pbase.com/pappasartshd/image/35515106) clearly stating support for 720p30, 1080i60, and 1080p30! This means that the CCDs support 1080p scanning. Although 1080p24 (or any 24p) is conspicuously absent from the listed specs, I would assume that it could be inserted, as I said, into the 1080i60 stream and recovered with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown. But it would probably be recorded at the full 100-Mbps datarate, rendering 1080p24 impractical until higher-capacity P2 cards are available.

March 30th, 2005, 05:18 PM	#110
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway.

March 30th, 2005, 05:40 PM	#111
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	It lists 1080 25p and 50 Mbps. 25p or 24p, same difference. The <10,000 USD camera supposed to be different one. Panasonic does not give details. They may shock everyone with 1080 24 or 25p.

March 31st, 2005, 09:03 AM	#112
Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	<<<-- Originally posted by Gary McClurg : That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway. -->>> I know it doesn't list 24p, and I said so. However, as long ago as NAB 2004, Joseph Facchini, director of Product Marketing for Panasonic Broadcast, said the P2 camcorder would support 24p. My point about the mock-up specs was that Panasonic considered it feasible to support 1080i60, 1080p30, 720p30, and 720p60 all on one prosumer camcorder. I then extrapolated that Pansonic could do 24p within the 1080i stream in a fashion similar to how it did it in SD with the DVX100.

March 31st, 2005, 11:41 AM	#116
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	Thanks, Jan, I'll sing at your renewal vows!

March 31st, 2005, 01:08 PM	#119
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Re: Re: Re: Sneak Peak Jan, Those extra bits are more like Howitzer weapon points to the competition that you now have Jan. I would hate to be the competition today. Hmmm, I wonder how the competition will promote at NAB knowing that their cameras are not so on top of the hill. More like half way down compared to what the HVX200 has. Again good work Panasonic. Michael Pappas http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS <<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early. Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-) -->>>

March 31st, 2005, 01:18 PM	#120
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Wow. Just wow. 1080p24. :) Did you just get married Jan? If, so congratulations!