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Old March 30th, 2005, 12:42 PM   #106
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Add to it famous Panasonic reliability.
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Old March 30th, 2005, 12:50 PM   #107
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Can we just have an option for 1080 24p and get it over with instead of having to make all these Sophie's Choices?
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Old March 30th, 2005, 01:55 PM   #108
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I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :)

(of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...)

But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p!
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Old March 30th, 2005, 04:32 PM   #109
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<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Green : I'm with Betsy. 1080/24p would just end all the discussion, wouldn't it? :)

(of course, there's only one 1080/24p camera in the world right now available for general sale, and it costs $100,000 just for the body...)

But yeah, I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue with 1080/24p! -->>>

Wouldn't it be possible to do it as 1080Ps24 in the 1080i stream, as Sony was (wrongly) rumored to be doing with the Z1? Because the P2 is solid-state, theoretically it could support both 720p and 1080i (and indeed the DVCPro HD format does). One of the Panasonic MPEG-2 mock-ups had an accompanying card with tentative specs (http://www.pbase.com/pappasartshd/image/35515106) clearly stating support for 720p30, 1080i60, and 1080p30! This means that the CCDs support 1080p scanning. Although 1080p24 (or any 24p) is conspicuously absent from the listed specs, I would assume that it could be inserted, as I said, into the 1080i60 stream and recovered with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown. But it would probably be recorded at the full 100-Mbps datarate, rendering 1080p24 impractical until higher-capacity P2 cards are available.
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Old March 30th, 2005, 05:18 PM   #110
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That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway.
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Old March 30th, 2005, 05:40 PM   #111
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It lists 1080 25p and 50 Mbps. 25p or 24p, same difference.

The <10,000 USD camera supposed to be different one.

Panasonic does not give details. They may shock everyone with 1080 24 or 25p.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 09:03 AM   #112
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<<<-- Originally posted by Gary McClurg : That's old picture, plus it doesn't list 24p anyway. -->>>

I know it doesn't list 24p, and I said so. However, as long ago as NAB 2004, Joseph Facchini, director of Product Marketing for Panasonic Broadcast, said the P2 camcorder would support 24p. My point about the mock-up specs was that Panasonic considered it feasible to support 1080i60, 1080p30, 720p30, and 720p60 all on one prosumer camcorder. I then extrapolated that Pansonic could do 24p within the 1080i stream in a fashion similar to how it did it in SD with the DVX100.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 09:44 AM   #113
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Sneak Peak

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This one is for you Betsy. ;-)
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Old March 31st, 2005, 09:51 AM   #114
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Awesome. The 1080p24 thing just went from US$100k to less than US$10k.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 10:13 AM   #115
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Re: Sneak Peak

Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention?

Jan, I am glad you guys stayed with the DVX100 look. From the image atleast that's what it kinda looks like. Ofcourse i never got under silk sheets with my DVX100 before so i don't know that for sure. Hmmmm!

As I said before the DVX100 was my favorite of the 24p cams and gave me the best image in it's class.

Glad to see that it has 1080I. I have a firend that does a show for the outdoor channel and needed 1080I, he had concerns that you guys might not have the 60I look. Now I can call him and let him know....

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<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : http://www.whatsnewatnab.com/search/code.php?code=031

This one is for you Betsy. ;-) -->>>
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Old March 31st, 2005, 11:41 AM   #116
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Thanks, Jan, I'll sing at your renewal vows!
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Old March 31st, 2005, 12:19 PM   #117
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<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan this isn't the April 4th stuff you mention?
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Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early.

Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-)
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Old March 31st, 2005, 12:31 PM   #118
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<< Yes it is, I was suprised that it hit early. >>

Funny how that tends to happen in this business! For example JVC misfired with their ProHD press release when WEVA published it too early, and then retracted it. And last July the Canon XL2 announcement went out six hours ahead of time by accident. I don't know how you marketing folks endure in the face of those circumstances.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 01:08 PM   #119
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Re: Re: Re: Sneak Peak

Jan,

Those extra bits are more like Howitzer weapon points to the competition that you now have Jan.

I would hate to be the competition today. Hmmm, I wonder how the competition will promote at NAB knowing that their cameras are not so on top of the hill. More like half way down compared to what the HVX200 has.

Again good work Panasonic.

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<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston :
Yes it is, I was surprised that it hit early.

Now I can at least have a few more bullet points. ;-) -->>>
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Old March 31st, 2005, 01:18 PM   #120
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Wow. Just wow. 1080p24. :)

Did you just get married Jan? If, so congratulations!
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