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Michael Pappas April 12th, 2005 11:49 PM

HVX-200 info, might be new
This link mentions two interesting things.

One is a shipping weight ( Shipping Weight: 8lbs US/ 36.2kg ) .

And this "" The HVX200 camcorder is an affordable tape-less (P2) High definition and standard definition camcorder. """" Tapeless they mention. This could mean nothing or it could mean what it says. My opinion is the HVX200 will not have tape which is better since this is the future. With 1394, there will be firestore options for longer recording needs.

Here is the link:


This link appears to have a place ready for manuals etc and a fourm that even Jan is at too!

Carmen Stern April 13th, 2005 10:34 AM

from hdforindies

The 1080 res will be 1280x1080 pixels to tape. The 720 formats will be 960x720 to tape. These are the resolutions recorded to tape, subsampled from their higher end source. This camera is expected to have a 1280x720 image sensor

and all of a sudden this camera looks a bit crappier..

Aaron Shaw April 13th, 2005 12:37 PM

How so?!

Barry Green April 13th, 2005 01:05 PM

Those are the same specifications used by the $70,000 VariCam.

Sorry, not looking any "crappier"!

Chris Hurd April 13th, 2005 01:09 PM

Thanks, Barry, for beating me to the punch on this!

Most F.U.D. is simply an opportunity to set the record straight.


Obin Olson April 13th, 2005 05:23 PM

um...yawn..yes that IS looking much "crappier" as I was under the impression that this camera would have TRUE 1080x1920 resolution...too bad...as that is a HUGE change in image quality from 720p to 1080p...

but then again I will never be happy till we have 12bit raw images like my Canon 10D still camera shoots..

Luis Caffesse April 13th, 2005 06:25 PM

um...yawn..yes that IS looking much "crappier"

So the Varicam isn't good enough for your applications?


What are you shooting on now Obin?
Just curious.

Obin Olson April 13th, 2005 08:41 PM

well as soon as I get my raw 4:4:4 1080p camera done I will be shooting on it..no i don't care for the varicam at all way to much compression for post and color grading...but then again I treat every project as if it's a feature or a national commercial...I can't help it ..image quality is my thing... ;)

I do tend to go way beyond the norm with the things I/we do in post

untill you have seen full on un-compressed I can understand what your saying to me..wait till you see 4:4:4 12bit raw files..:)

Chris Hurd April 13th, 2005 09:28 PM

<< I treat every project as if it's a feature or a national commercial >>

Thing is though, there are actually quite a few features and national market commercials which are shot with the Varicam.

Obin Olson April 13th, 2005 10:32 PM

true- it's not a bad camera I just have a personal issue with heavy compression on such a "high" level camera system..

you can get a really really good image from the varicam just like you can from a dvx100 - IF you light well - you just can't change it as much in post

Aaron Shaw April 13th, 2005 10:36 PM

I don't think the compression is all that bad. Could it be better? Certainly! I'd love to get my hands on a 4:4:4 camera but it's just not practical in terms of workflow for me.

What sort of color grading are you doing that causes so many problems with the DVCproHD codec? I don't think I've ever had a situation where I couldn't make the adjustments I needed to SD DV footage using Color Finess. Now, you can't go fixing exposure as easily but if you shoot the footage well I really don't think this is a problem.

Chris Hurd April 14th, 2005 06:57 AM

Agreed. Frankly I have *never* witnessed any compression issues with Varicam material that was shot well to begin with.

Brad Abrahams April 14th, 2005 08:53 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : Agreed. Frankly I have *never* witnessed any compression issues with Varicam material that was shot well to begin with. -->>>

Pulling clean keys from DVCPRO HD material is anything but fun.

Barry Goyette April 14th, 2005 09:14 AM

I have no personal experience with the Varicam, but a buddy of mine tested it at his studio and came to the conclusion that the compression was too great for what they do (which is a lot of keying, and virtual sets).


Bob Zimmerman April 14th, 2005 11:18 AM

and this ad at ear.com says official release April 18, 2005!! That would be a fast release...

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