HVX on BH Photo - Page 5 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders

Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders
All AG-HPX and AJ-PX Series camcorders and P2 / P2HD hardware.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 4th, 2005, 07:52 PM   #61
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurth Bousman
Chris - I'd think it would be better to have three cards, since the camera has two slots - you could juggle the third , always keeping the longest capacity available in the camera - except , of course , for the changeover.
I agree, Kurth -- I guess my point is that two P2 cards are all you need as a bare minimum. Three would be even better! But it's only a question of cycling cards. There is no "limit" on recording time at all. You could shoot all day long using only two cards if you had to.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 4th, 2005, 07:56 PM   #62
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 6,781
I'm not the first to point out that the paradigm of working with these cards will be in some ways similar to a film setup, wherein the loader takes the exposed mag, downloads it, reloads it, and delivers it back to the set. What may be worth pointing out is how many mags are in a standard order; for a given shooting mode (i.e. 400ft handheld or Steadicam, 1000 ft conventional) 3 mags is considered absolute minimum, in case there is a jam or malfunction in one. Two mags will guarantee down time on set while waiting for the other one to be returned.

I would personally only feel comfortable with 3 P2 cards, and would only consider going on a distant location with 4.
__________________
Charles Papert
www.charlespapert.com
Charles Papert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 06:52 AM   #63
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Sweden - Helsingborg
Posts: 283
They just changed the delivery date on B&H to December.
*DOH*
Andreas Fernbrant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 07:51 AM   #64
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 82
I think I'd feel pretty comfortable with two cards. Solid state, no moving parts, it'd be pretty tough for something to go wrong with them. I mean, of course, would I rather have 3 or 4? No doubt. The best of all worlds would be that by the time it comes out there's a firestore type device ready to go that's fully compatible. 60gigs that you could strap on your belt. That would be ideal, at least for my shooting situations. With any recording medium you're taking a risk, right? Drop-outs can blow a good take on tape (rare albeit), film can screwed up through bad handling. Of course maybe by the 4Q competitors will have P2 cards for much cheaper and I'll grab 4 without a doubt. As is, for me I think I'm going to buy the camera without the cards unless something big happens with P2 pricing by then. Switching over to being able to edit HD is gonna take some time for me (money wise I mean). That's why I think Panna leaving the DV capability in the cam was a great idea for those of us struggling to make small films and still adapt to the newest technology (while still working a day job).
Ian Poirier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 09:19 AM   #65
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 150
I've heard talk about bypassing the P2 cards and recording directly to HDD, or strapping a HDD to your belt as Ian just stated but my concern has nothing to do with data rates, storage capacity, image quality, etc. My concern is with the firewire cables themselves.. they sure seem to pull out easily, they're not locking like a BNC cable or triax cable. Does anyone have a clever way to ensure that the cable stays put in the camera?
Mike Tiffee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 09:22 AM   #66
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 82
That's a valid concern. I haven't thought about that.
Ian Poirier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 09:32 AM   #67
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Knot the FW cable around the handgrip (snugly, but don't bind it), so that any hard tug merely pulls on the handgrip... then gaff-tape the connection on the cam. Not elegant, not pretty, but it's a fairly industrial solution.

Same thing at the other end -- find something near the HDD, like a strap on its case or something, put a few loops of FW cable through there first and then tape down that connection.

I'm no fan of gummy tape residue, but in the absence of locking FW connectors (which is a huge advantage of SDI, by the way), it's one viable approach. What would really help are FW cables with ninety-degree connectors.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 12:48 PM   #68
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico
Posts: 644
<<<I'm no fan of gummy tape residue>>>
Chris - Shrink tubing - the cable could easily absorb the short heating cycle , and then rig up some kind of safety hook or eye beneath that could be easily disconnected using industrial hardware even tie straps- I hate tape for long term solutions- no pun intended !
<<<I'm not the first to point out that the paradigm of working with these cards will be in some ways similar to a film setup, wherein the loader takes the exposed mag, downloads it, reloads it, and delivers it back to the set.>>>
Charles -I said that in a previous place and then furthered the metaphor by comparing size reductions between 400' mags and p2 cards vs. their respective recording capacities , and then to think p2 is reusable - almost defies the laws of physics. The p2 card solution is perfect , it just needs to be cheaper. HD's fail .
My only problem is how to find the 100 bills necessary for it's delivery, but I think it will be worth every penny at b&h or wherever- Kurth
Kurth Bousman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 02:19 PM   #69
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bethel, VT
Posts: 824
As far as the cost of P2 cards being insane or prohibitive, it was just a while ago in relative terms that we put together our first non-linear room in our creative shop.

So many producers and shooters said that independent computer based studios weren't yet practical. We heard the same thing as we migrated to desk top design and digital audio production.

My point is that our first sytstem, a 33 mhz Mac Quadra 840 AV cost about $5k, you couldn't put 2 gigs of ram in it, but if you could it would have cost as much.

Our first striped raid array...4 gigs cost $4500.

It's simply the innate cost of moving forward into the new world of increased creative possibility.

Of course we'll all be saying in a couple of years. "can you believe we spent $1600 on a P2 card with the original HVX!?"

We just moved into out new studios and we're still cleaning out rooms full of equipment from our old building that don't fit into the new digs.

I just gave away a huge analog mixing console, prisitine 2 track recorders, racks of gear...an entire media 100 SCSI system is literally being used to hold a door open for movers <g>.

Just that gear together was worth $60-75k. I'm literally paying to throw away a dozen CRT monitors.

I don't begrudge any of it...it's literally the price of progress. We live in the most creatively evolutionary time in human history. Don't complain about it...embrace it.
Jim Giberti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 02:33 PM   #70
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Well put, Jim... besides... this stuff pays for itself anyway. Many times over!
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5th, 2005, 02:48 PM   #71
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bethel, VT
Posts: 824
<<Well put, Jim... besides... this stuff pays for itself anyway. Many times over!>>>

Thanks Chris, I just did a little interview this week with Markee Mag about our new facilities and the trends in film/video production. It still surprises me that people are so interested in "smaller shops" doing "big" work. I mean, I really thought that hurdle was cleared a decade or more ago.

Anyway, there was a genuine satisfaction over a statement like "more and more clients are hip to the idea of using a small shop that can write and shoot and produce with ther own audio and video post rooms" My guess is that's exactly what most of our many friends here are doing or building to do. It isn't the future, it's the now.

And if I actually get them a couple of shots emailed by tommorrow's deadline there will be a pic of the new mountain top studios in the June edition.

Viva the revolution!
Jim Giberti is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:39 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network