Hpx 600 - Page 7 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders

Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders
All AG-HPX and AJ-PX Series camcorders and P2 / P2HD hardware.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 26th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #91
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

Oh no worries. For me coming from a JVC 700/750 which is a 1/3inch CCD chip to this 2/3inch just made me realize how much I wish I had sprung for say a USED HPX500 back in 2010 when I bought the JVC.

I like this camera very much. Its low light performance is also impressive but I have nothing to show for that claim/opinion.

I head out next week so I should be able to get more shots and post.

Hope that helps people get a better feel for the camera. This is my first time giving feedback to other shooters on a new camera. Normally I am reading on here about a camera that I want to buy getting OTHERS feedback !

Myles
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #92
Space Hipster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,593
Re: Hpx 600

I used to own an HPX500. It was a pretty good camera, but the uprezzed CCD chips didn't give the sharpest picture. In fact, I sold the camera when I was able to view the images on my (then) new 57" LCD TV. I was disappointed. I sold it and bought a Canon XF305, which had a very sharp picture.
But I did make money off the 500, and that's what really mattered. It was a bit heavy to shoulder mount!

I kept all of my P2 cards, Canon B4 lens and my batteries, so you can see my interest in the HPX600. All I need is a camera body and EVF and I'm GTG.

Please post more updates and videos, and good luck with your shoot!
BTW, your racing videos on Vimeo look awesome!

And are you renting the camera, or testing it for someone?
Glen Vandermolen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #93
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,699
Re: Hpx 600

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen View Post
We know, you think Panasonic sucks. We got that. I swear, do you have some kind of bizarre fixation against Panasonics? God, you're so predictable!
Glen, I really think you should reflect before you post, and you may like to consider whether you should edit your previous post - you're not doing yourself any favours. As for "we know you think Panasonic sucks", then well, it's not true, and I thought I'd made that clear in my last post, let alone the previous ones. I'll try again. I said "I wouldn't expect anything costing over $15,000 to yield results which could be even remotely described as "bad" - ........ That is far, far from describing the HPX600 (let alone Panasonic in general) as "it sucks".

One thing which really irritates me on forums is that debates so often descend into black and white terms, and that is normally nonsense. If cameras got marked out of ten, I may give the HPX600 7, may give the PMW400 8 or 8, and I've tried to give solid reasons for why I think how I do. Yes, I think the PMW400 has the edge - but that is nowhere near like saying "this camera sucks" or thinking it grounds for describing me as "having some kind of bizarre fixation against Panasonics", and it's ridiculous to say so.

I'm referring to slightly different shades of grey, not black and white references, and please don't try to present anything I say as such.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen View Post
Did we ask for a comparison? Did you see anyone ask you for a comparison?
Glen, whatever you think, when you're considering the technical merits of any camera, then comparisons are inevitable and (at least IMO) valuable. It's not just me, and as reference Sanjin Svajger was drawing comparisons in post 73, Gary Nattrass also thought comparisons were relevant (post 79).

Same with many other products, cars or whatever. Individual product reviews can only tell you so much, direct comparisons I find so much more useful from a potential purchasing point of view. So "performs well in low light" tells you what? Nothing really, and depends heavily on what any reviewer has been used to beforehand. "Performed a stop better than the xyz" is far more descriptive and useful.

And really, it's quite amusing that you yourself start your last post with talk of an HPX500 and then an XF305!! One moment you talk of only wanting to talk directly about the HPX600, period - the next moment you're talking comparisons yourself!
David Heath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 09:36 PM   #94
Space Hipster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,593
Re: Hpx 600

Please quit quoting me.
Go away. Please.
We're talking about the Panasonic HPX600 here. You're interrupting Myles. Let him finish.
Glen Vandermolen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #95
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

you guys crack me up. It reminds me of the automotive forums !

Myles
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 09:45 PM   #96
Space Hipster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,593
Re: Hpx 600

Sorry again, Myles.

Did you get any shooting in this weekend with the 600?
Glen Vandermolen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #97
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

I am editing most of this weekend. I will wait until the wifey dozes off and maybe try to skip out with the camera. I'm 6'3 but normally when I do some night shoots I take my friend who was a Seal with me as a precaution. No Seal tonight means risking things with a camera thats not mine !

We'll see though.

M.
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #98
Space Hipster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,593
Re: Hpx 600

LOL!
I don't know what's more dangerous - venturing into an area without your SEAL protection, or an angry wife!
Take it easy out there!
Glen Vandermolen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #99
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

The places in Baltimore to get good night shots are deserted. Not like detroit, but no one really around. So when you do see someone its not a good thing I have learned.

If the weather is decent tomorrow I will try to get out and get some shots.

M.
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #100
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

NIGHT SHOTS

Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #101
Space Hipster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,593
Re: Hpx 600

Very nice, Myles!
The 6db gain looks very usable. 12db would work as well.

The images are sharp, the colors look nice.
I like it!
Glen Vandermolen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 12th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #102
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 48
Re: Hpx 600

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myles Williams View Post
I found that anything beyond 3 dB gain for all night shots w/ the HPX-3700, 3100 is just too grainy for my taste & tolerance. At 0 dB, it's quite sensitive and useable. Vimeo pretty much conceals a lot of grain noise.

I'll give the HPX-600 benefit of the doubt here and when I actually have my hands on it to evaluate, I can't say for sure that it's much better or worse than than HPX3### series yet.

Last edited by Sam Lee; August 13th, 2013 at 09:53 AM.
Sam Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 12th, 2013, 11:55 PM   #103
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

Fair enough. I can go in and do some frame grabs if that helps.....
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 13th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #104
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 104
Re: Hpx 600

A few frame grabs.....
Attached Thumbnails
Hpx 600-panasonic-hpx600-night-grab-5.jpg   Hpx 600-panasonic-hpx600-night-grab-6.jpg  

Hpx 600-panasonic-hpx600-night-grab-7.jpg  
Myles Williams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 13th, 2013, 09:23 AM   #105
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 48
Re: Hpx 600

Thanks for the grab. Indeed there's noise if you look closely, especially at 6 dB and 12 dB grab. The noise will move if the clip is moving. For EFP, it's just unacceptable for me. However, for ENG, it's OK since content matters more than quality of the footage.

Judging from this, I suspect that it's roughly the same as the HPX3#### series cam which claims f/13 @ 2000 lux. I shot quite a few night time shots w/ the HPX3100 series and have been using 0 dB w/ pretty decent results. I'll grab some frames for evaluation. At 3 dB noise starts to get quite noticeable for dark scenes. If the night scene has a lot of ambient light, then I can go up to 3 dB max. This guideline holds true for the clip of the couple walking in the shopping area that you provided. But when the scene gets dark overall (no light on the grass and ground), ugly noise really starts to pop out. From 6-12 dB, way too much once the clip is playing its normal speed. It's like a swarm of noise insect invading the scene, especially the non-lit region.

Last edited by Sam Lee; August 13th, 2013 at 10:03 AM.
Sam Lee is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic P2HD / DVCPRO HD Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:32 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network