Firestore 100GB out yet? How much? at DVinfo.net

Ronald Lee · March 28th, 2006, 11:57 AM

Hi,

Is he Firestore 100GB out yet? If not, when are they saying now?

And how much is the retail and how much do you suppose is the rental?

Lastly, if I shot at 1080 24p, how many minutes is it good for? (or I should ask how many minutes per 4 GB do I get at that setting?)

thanx

Chris Hurd · March 28th, 2006, 12:04 PM

Hi Ronald, it isn't shipping yet. There should be more info about it at NAB next month.

Tim Schultz · March 28th, 2006, 12:13 PM

yeah it's not out. i'm on the list with my local reseller (apparently the only person on the list!) and have been in touch with reps at focus enhancements (who make the firestore devices)...."any day now" is the answer which means i think, after NAB though i was assured several weeks ago it would be on the market at the end of march.

all i can say is, i'm an idiot for trusting the marketing dept!

Peter Jefferson · March 28th, 2006, 02:41 PM

"all i can say is, i'm an idiot for trusting the marketing dept!"

thats what i was saying about the original firestore.. im yet to work with a unit which hasnt failed...

Wes Thomsen · March 29th, 2006, 10:28 PM

Sorry, I'm confused ( no big surprise... )

Are you saying every firestore you've worked with has ended up failing? I should rethink the new model then. I was looking forward to the extra storage for an HVX200 because I had heard from a friend who has had dependable results from a previous firestore model.

wes

Peter Jefferson · April 1st, 2006, 02:58 AM

oh they worked, but continued to reset themselves for some apparent reason. That was 2 consecutive units in a row... then i got the pro model for avid, and it too pooed itsellf.

We upgraded the firmware, and that did nothing.. so i gave up on it and let stuck with tape..

with the HVX, it seems the viable way is to have a laptop and 2 P2 cards... or a P2 Store type devce. I woulnt trust a firestore from what i have seen it do... thats jsut my opinion and im sure there are users out there who dont have a problem with it..
One thing is for sure though, that for the cost of a firestore, i can grab a laptop and an external 250gb drive... to me thats a better investment..

David Mintzer · April 2nd, 2006, 09:52 AM

Yeah, but not if you are shooting long form documentaries in a run and gun style.

Chris Hurd · April 2nd, 2006, 10:53 AM

Agree w/David. It's a better investment only if you don't need the small "wearable" size of the FireStore.

Robert Lane · April 2nd, 2006, 11:30 AM

I can concur with Peter's experience with the Firestore; we tested the Firestore extensively with the HDV side of things and found it to be less than reliable, along with some other snafus created by Focus. We decided not to ever use another Firestore device, period.

With respect to the Cineporter, I feel very strongly from both my own research and communications from David Linetsky at Spec-Comm that it will be THE way to go for long-form HVX recording. P2 cards work well but are costly and have relatively short run-time compared to tape. The Powerbook direct capture also works perfectly but isn't suited for run-and-gun or any location work - not without a lot of extra hands and other supporting equipment.

The 'Porter may be bigger than the Firestore but since it's a P2-only device I'd put my money - and my project demands - on that over any 3rd party DTE solution.

March 28th, 2006, 11:57 AM	#1
Ronald Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 435	Firestore 100GB out yet? How much? Hi, Is he Firestore 100GB out yet? If not, when are they saying now? And how much is the retail and how much do you suppose is the rental? Lastly, if I shot at 1080 24p, how many minutes is it good for? (or I should ask how many minutes per 4 GB do I get at that setting?) thanx

March 28th, 2006, 12:04 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Hi Ronald, it isn't shipping yet. There should be more info about it at NAB next month. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 29th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#5
Wes Thomsen Tourist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3	Double Negative Sorry, I'm confused ( no big surprise... ) Are you saying every firestore you've worked with has ended up failing? I should rethink the new model then. I was looking forward to the extra storage for an HVX200 because I had heard from a friend who has had dependable results from a previous firestore model. wes

April 2nd, 2006, 10:53 AM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Agree w/David. It's a better investment only if you don't need the small "wearable" size of the FireStore. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 2nd, 2006, 11:30 AM	#9
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	Godzilla eats Firestore for lunch - news at 6 I can concur with Peter's experience with the Firestore; we tested the Firestore extensively with the HDV side of things and found it to be less than reliable, along with some other snafus created by Focus. We decided not to ever use another Firestore device, period. With respect to the Cineporter, I feel very strongly from both my own research and communications from David Linetsky at Spec-Comm that it will be THE way to go for long-form HVX recording. P2 cards work well but are costly and have relatively short run-time compared to tape. The Powerbook direct capture also works perfectly but isn't suited for run-and-gun or any location work - not without a lot of extra hands and other supporting equipment. The 'Porter may be bigger than the Firestore but since it's a P2-only device I'd put my money - and my project demands - on that over any 3rd party DTE solution. __________________ Robert Lane Producer/Creator - Bike Pilots TV

March 28th, 2006, 12:13 PM	#3
Tim Schultz New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 17	yeah it's not out. i'm on the list with my local reseller (apparently the only person on the list!) and have been in touch with reps at focus enhancements (who make the firestore devices)...."any day now" is the answer which means i think, after NAB though i was assured several weeks ago it would be on the market at the end of march. all i can say is, i'm an idiot for trusting the marketing dept!

March 28th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	"all i can say is, i'm an idiot for trusting the marketing dept!" thats what i was saying about the original firestore.. im yet to work with a unit which hasnt failed...

April 1st, 2006, 02:58 AM	#6
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	oh they worked, but continued to reset themselves for some apparent reason. That was 2 consecutive units in a row... then i got the pro model for avid, and it too pooed itsellf. We upgraded the firmware, and that did nothing.. so i gave up on it and let stuck with tape.. with the HVX, it seems the viable way is to have a laptop and 2 P2 cards... or a P2 Store type devce. I woulnt trust a firestore from what i have seen it do... thats jsut my opinion and im sure there are users out there who dont have a problem with it.. One thing is for sure though, that for the cost of a firestore, i can grab a laptop and an external 250gb drive... to me thats a better investment..

April 2nd, 2006, 09:52 AM	#7
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Yeah, but not if you are shooting long form documentaries in a run and gun style.