HD LOG from Imagine Products at DVinfo.net

Robert Lane · May 19th, 2006, 08:49 AM

There is new software available (which we're in the process of evaluating) which would address P2 management issues: HD LOG from Imagine Products.

It will allow P2 clips to be viewed, played, meta-data edited, user tag info edited, imported, exported and even converted to QT all as a stand alone app.

The full version isn't cheap at $699 but it offers P2 managment that so far isn't available anywhere else.

Mike Schrengohst · May 19th, 2006, 02:42 PM

I actually make DVD of the P2 contents I can then take it to a PC and/or edius and make files direct from the DVD.
It only takes a few minutes to render a :30 sec clip from
a .mxf file in Edius.
Why???
Sometimes I need to make a one-file from a 1080 24pA file.
Direct .mxf import into Edius as opposed to copying the QT file in FCP and then messing around with Cinema Tools.
Tell you FCP developer friend to get a PC and Edius and please include that functionality in the next release of FCP.

Mike Connolly · May 19th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Robert, what's your opinion so far on HD Log?

Gary L Childress · May 19th, 2006, 05:52 PM

Robert,
I looked at the HD Log website. A question. The website seems to imply that it manages direct firewire capture and reads the timecode embeded with the video stream. Is that correct? I have done a couple of shoots with FW directly to Final Cut Pro on a Powerbook, which works fine but you don't get any timecode. Does HD Log fix that problem?

Also, does it allow you to create and upload metadata through the SD card as does P2 Viewer?

Paul Whishaw · May 19th, 2006, 07:12 PM

I have an assisstant contantly downloading cards on long shoots and he has no time to ue the software to view the footage. The card has to be downloaded, wiped and sent back to the camera. Once the media in on the hard drive of a computer, will HD Log read them or does it have to be on a P2 card to work properly?

Jeff Deveraux · May 24th, 2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Schrengohst

I actually make DVD of the P2 contents I can then take it to a PC and/or edius and make files direct from the DVD.
It only takes a few minutes to render a :30 sec clip from
a .mxf file in Edius.
Why???
Sometimes I need to make a one-file from a 1080 24pA file.
Direct .mxf import into Edius as opposed to copying the QT file in FCP and then messing around with Cinema Tools.
Tell you FCP developer friend to get a PC and Edius and please include that functionality in the next release of FCP.

I just got more info on why this workflow is more stable.
It seems that creating a disk image keeps the format of the information in it's native environment (FAT32 I believe). When you drag the contents folder to a new folder it gets copied in OSX's format (HFS+).

Kevin Shaw · May 24th, 2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Lane

The full version isn't cheap at $699 but it offers P2 managment that so far isn't available anywhere else.

Edius "Broadcast" version reportedly offers complete native editing of P2 files with meta-data intact. List price is $999 and runs on Windows.

http://www.canopus.com/products/EDIU...cast/index.php

Mark Burton · May 25th, 2006, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

Edius "Broadcast" version reportedly offers complete native editing of P2 files with meta-data intact.

Just don't expect to work with 720p 25 though. No NLE supports this format yet - only the converters from DV Film and Cineform will allow you access to it.

David Tamés · May 25th, 2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary L Childress

does [HD Log] allow you to create and upload metadata through the SD card as does P2 Viewer?

I've been using HD Log and I can veryify that the current version does not support upload of metadata through the SD card as does P2 Viewer, however, it does let you edit the metadata and export an XML document that FCP can easily import, and throught that you can map metadata fields to FCP fields.

David Tamés · May 25th, 2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Whishaw

Once the media in on the hard drive of a computer, will HD Log read them or does it have to be on a P2 card to work properly?

The media need not be on the P2 card itself.

If the P2 Media is in a folder that's identical to the original P2 card, or you create an disk image, HD Log can be used to view the images, and the import time is a fraction of the time it takes FCP to import the image, because HD Log is not converting any media, it's reading the MXF essence directly. When you then convert to FCP compatible QuickTime, then it takes it's time on export.

I used HD Log recently on a four day documentary shoot in the field and we had a PowerBook G4 laptop that we used for ingest and viewing and it worked like a charm. Make sure you're using the latest version of HD Log.

Kevin Shaw · May 25th, 2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Burton

Just don't expect to work with 720p 25 though. No NLE supports this format yet - only the converters from DV Film and Cineform will allow you access to it.

Word is that support for this format should be available in Edius Broadcast version 4, which I believe is due to ship end of June. Check the Canopus forums at that time for confirmation.

Gary L Childress · May 25th, 2006, 07:44 AM

I contacted HD Log tech support with regards to my questions above.
Dan Montgomery sent me a response that indicated they were working on being able to edit SD card metadata and that would ready this week.

The techs at Imagine Products don't think there is any timecode embeded on the firewire stream. I read that there was, either on this forum or DVXuser so perhaps that information was wrong to begin with.

Mark Wells · May 25th, 2006, 08:32 AM

Here's a question. What if you MAC doesn't even SEE the P2 card? The HVX is there on my System Profiler under the Firewire tab, but my Disk Utility doesn't see it. I've faithfully followed the instructions in the manual, but alas, no P2 card.

Barry Green · May 25th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Is the HVX in PC/DUB mode, with the PC MODE menu setting set to "1394 DEVICE"?

Mark Wells · May 25th, 2006, 07:59 PM

...Ghosts in the machine...because TODAY no problems. Maybe I had the powering on sequences wrong. Who knows. But Footage is now residing safely on my drive. Thanks!!

May 19th, 2006, 08:49 AM	#1
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	HD LOG from Imagine Products There is new software available (which we're in the process of evaluating) which would address P2 management issues: HD LOG from Imagine Products. It will allow P2 clips to be viewed, played, meta-data edited, user tag info edited, imported, exported and even converted to QT all as a stand alone app. The full version isn't cheap at $699 but it offers P2 managment that so far isn't available anywhere else. __________________ Robert Lane Producer/Creator - Bike Pilots TV

May 19th, 2006, 02:42 PM	#2
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	I actually make DVD of the P2 contents I can then take it to a PC and/or edius and make files direct from the DVD. It only takes a few minutes to render a :30 sec clip from a .mxf file in Edius. Why??? Sometimes I need to make a one-file from a 1080 24pA file. Direct .mxf import into Edius as opposed to copying the QT file in FCP and then messing around with Cinema Tools. Tell you FCP developer friend to get a PC and Edius and please include that functionality in the next release of FCP. __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

May 19th, 2006, 07:12 PM	#5
Paul Whishaw New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 21	Can it read a downloaded card. I have an assisstant contantly downloading cards on long shoots and he has no time to ue the software to view the footage. The card has to be downloaded, wiped and sent back to the camera. Once the media in on the hard drive of a computer, will HD Log read them or does it have to be on a P2 card to work properly?

May 25th, 2006, 07:59 PM	#15
Mark Wells New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 5	I must've had... ...Ghosts in the machine...because TODAY no problems. Maybe I had the powering on sequences wrong. Who knows. But Footage is now residing safely on my drive. Thanks!!

May 19th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#3
Mike Connolly New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 16	Robert, what's your opinion so far on HD Log?

May 19th, 2006, 05:52 PM	#4
Gary L Childress Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 42	Robert, I looked at the HD Log website. A question. The website seems to imply that it manages direct firewire capture and reads the timecode embeded with the video stream. Is that correct? I have done a couple of shoots with FW directly to Final Cut Pro on a Powerbook, which works fine but you don't get any timecode. Does HD Log fix that problem? Also, does it allow you to create and upload metadata through the SD card as does P2 Viewer?

May 25th, 2006, 07:44 AM	#12
Gary L Childress Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 42	I contacted HD Log tech support with regards to my questions above. Dan Montgomery sent me a response that indicated they were working on being able to edit SD card metadata and that would ready this week. The techs at Imagine Products don't think there is any timecode embeded on the firewire stream. I read that there was, either on this forum or DVXuser so perhaps that information was wrong to begin with.

May 25th, 2006, 08:32 AM	#13
Mark Wells New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 5	Here's a question. What if you MAC doesn't even SEE the P2 card? The HVX is there on my System Profiler under the Firewire tab, but my Disk Utility doesn't see it. I've faithfully followed the instructions in the manual, but alas, no P2 card.

May 25th, 2006, 02:01 PM	#14
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Is the HVX in PC/DUB mode, with the PC MODE menu setting set to "1394 DEVICE"?