"Independence day"

Alex Khachatryan · March 5th, 2010, 12:11 PM

Short audio story captured, filtered and edited with FCP.
Will appreciate feedback especially from those who are proficient in audio.
Enjoy :)

David W. Jones · March 7th, 2010, 02:50 PM

That was 3 minutes of my life I will never get back.

Alex Khachatryan · March 7th, 2010, 05:39 PM

David, is this about sound design or your feelings?

Andy Graham · March 8th, 2010, 08:05 AM

I should have listned to you David!

Now iv heard it i may as well ask....why is it called independence day? and what exactly was the experiment? it kinda just sounds like you've raided your sound track pro bin.

If the experiment was to build the audio in post then your missing the ambience, daily life is more than just singular sounds at pre set times you need room noise and maybe some street sounds. Theres also what sounds the audience expects to hear, how often do you hear cats making that sound in real life? unless your filming two cats fighting to explane the sound it just draws attention to the fact that its a sound effect. sound design has to sound natural.

thats my tuppence worth anyway, hope it helps.

Andy.

Alex Khachatryan · March 8th, 2010, 09:32 AM

Andy, experiment is strictly about building the audio in post, I am learning how to do it. Why else I would post this story here.

Thank you for advice, it helps.

Andy Graham · March 8th, 2010, 10:23 AM

sorry Alex didn't mean to offend, your asking that age old question do i record on set or adr in post, both have there vices and draw backs, if you record on set and the audio is good it reduces the post effort considerably, you can then run it through the noise print in soundtrack pro and add some extra effects. If you do a whole adr and foley thing its a lot of work but your audio is crisp and you can manipulate the indavidual sounds.

Of course how you do it is directly related to a number of variables like time, access to the location and what type of film you are trying to make. Personally if i was shooting a short or a feature id primarally opt for adr and foley because im a bit of a control freak in that respect however if i was shooting a documentary or corporate film id record on set because obviously you wont have the option of adr.

best bit of advice is to record on set whenever possible and at the very least use it as a guide for building the sound should you need to.

Andy

Buba Kastorski · March 16th, 2010, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Khachatryan

Enjoy :)
Independence day on Vimeo

I'd like to :)

Alex Khachatryan · March 16th, 2010, 11:34 PM

password: sound design

Buba Kastorski · March 18th, 2010, 09:40 AM

how did you do that

Alex Khachatryan · March 18th, 2010, 06:12 PM

Buba, FCP voice over tool, two of my colleagues, Rod mic., audio library.
There is a room tone and street sound there, but levels are too low, I may boost it up a little bit.

March 5th, 2010, 12:11 PM	#1
Alex Khachatryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 134	"Independence day" - sound design experiment Short audio story captured, filtered and edited with FCP. Will appreciate feedback especially from those who are proficient in audio. Enjoy :) Independence day on Vimeo

March 7th, 2010, 02:50 PM	#2
David W. Jones Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,383	That was 3 minutes of my life I will never get back. __________________ David W. Jones www.joneshdfilms.com

March 8th, 2010, 08:05 AM	#4
Andy Graham Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lanark,Scotland Posts: 736	I should have listned to you David! Now iv heard it i may as well ask....why is it called independence day? and what exactly was the experiment? it kinda just sounds like you've raided your sound track pro bin. If the experiment was to build the audio in post then your missing the ambience, daily life is more than just singular sounds at pre set times you need room noise and maybe some street sounds. Theres also what sounds the audience expects to hear, how often do you hear cats making that sound in real life? unless your filming two cats fighting to explane the sound it just draws attention to the fact that its a sound effect. sound design has to sound natural. thats my tuppence worth anyway, hope it helps. Andy. __________________ Actor: "where would that light be coming from?" DP: "same place as the music" -Andrew Lesnie-

March 8th, 2010, 10:23 AM	#6
Andy Graham Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lanark,Scotland Posts: 736	sorry Alex didn't mean to offend, your asking that age old question do i record on set or adr in post, both have there vices and draw backs, if you record on set and the audio is good it reduces the post effort considerably, you can then run it through the noise print in soundtrack pro and add some extra effects. If you do a whole adr and foley thing its a lot of work but your audio is crisp and you can manipulate the indavidual sounds. Of course how you do it is directly related to a number of variables like time, access to the location and what type of film you are trying to make. Personally if i was shooting a short or a feature id primarally opt for adr and foley because im a bit of a control freak in that respect however if i was shooting a documentary or corporate film id record on set because obviously you wont have the option of adr. best bit of advice is to record on set whenever possible and at the very least use it as a guide for building the sound should you need to. Andy __________________ Actor: "where would that light be coming from?" DP: "same place as the music" -Andrew Lesnie-

March 18th, 2010, 09:40 AM	#9
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	how did you do that __________________ I love this place!

March 7th, 2010, 05:39 PM	#3
Alex Khachatryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 134	David, is this about sound design or your feelings?

March 8th, 2010, 09:32 AM	#5
Alex Khachatryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 134	Andy, experiment is strictly about building the audio in post, I am learning how to do it. Why else I would post this story here. Thank you for advice, it helps.

March 16th, 2010, 11:34 PM	#8
Alex Khachatryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 134	password: sound design

March 18th, 2010, 06:12 PM	#10
Alex Khachatryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 134	Buba, FCP voice over tool, two of my colleagues, Rod mic., audio library. There is a room tone and street sound there, but levels are too low, I may boost it up a little bit.