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Old March 18th, 2007, 07:47 PM   #1
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first 16mm b+w

first 16mm b+w on bolex kodak reversal
[for outdoor lighting test for class]

originally edited by hand, this one in final cut

http://rileyharmon.com/temp/meta.mov
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Old March 19th, 2007, 11:07 AM   #2
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What a strange short. I won't lie, it caught my interest, so I guess you succeeded there.

The jerking-motion of, what was it, stream of thought, it seemed? was a bit much...but hey, artistic interpretation I suppose.

I don't think you really USED film as much as you could've. It's quite a medium, one I wish I had more access to for practice.

But overall, somehow, I liked it. It was just a lighting test?
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Old March 19th, 2007, 10:24 PM   #3
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that was our first time picking up a bolex, so we werent really used to the whole film as a medium thing
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Old March 19th, 2007, 11:58 PM   #4
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Very good editing, a sort of organic style inside a mechanical structure. Good music too, that's radiohead right? I'd say just a few of the shots could use some slightly more interesting compositions or just better framing but overall I think it really worked well, interesting short.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 01:14 AM   #5
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... we werent really used to the whole film as a medium thing
The Quote of the Month.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 09:52 PM   #6
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hah, whats that mean
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Old March 24th, 2007, 11:51 AM   #7
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Not being used to 'film as medium'.

Just a sign of the times ! :P As if it was archaic almost :P
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Old March 24th, 2007, 04:15 PM   #8
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mhm...

indeed
as much as I am used to digital and stuff, you gotta learn where all that came from, all the editing terminology and everything is completely relevant to digital image making. all the same concepts.

i will say this, one big thing ive learned from using film is the ability to go with the flow. i just had to shoot my final this week over spring break, and i was beating my brains out trying to figure out my concept and how I would execute it. It was extremely frustrating, but I shot 3 spools and just went with it. Just shipped off the film to MA for processing and transfer. I just tried to shoot some stuff I thought worked well instead of scripting out stuff and trying to be a control freak. I guess I've learned over the years that if you do that, you're inevitably setting yourself up for grief, because things always change. I see all my classmates trying to plan out elaborate stuff and its just not possible with the time and money we have, guess we'll find out in a few days. Its quite ironic, you would think that you would play and experiment more in digital, but the same applies to film. [just more expensive]

the magic happens in the edit
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Old March 24th, 2007, 08:45 PM   #9
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Enjoyed the short. Pretty interesting. Would like to see the original edit by hand and compare the two.
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Old April 1st, 2007, 05:01 PM   #10
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What kind of Bolex did you shoot that on? Like one of the cheaper older models, or a Rex 4 or 5?
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 12:11 PM   #11
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a reflex bolex h16 with the stock spring motor and lots of gaff tape to keep out light leaks
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Old April 14th, 2007, 01:39 AM   #12
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a reflex bolex h16 with the stock spring motor and lots of gaff tape to keep out light leaks

Do you know if was one of older Bolex H16 or a newer one?

A newer one will have a big flat base like this and it can sit upright on a table....

http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/97/e4/5024_1.JPG

An older one with have a small round thing sticking out the bottom and can't sit on a table..

http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/91/90/eb08_1_b.JPG
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Old April 14th, 2007, 12:51 PM   #13
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newer one with flat base, why do you ask?
plan on getting one?
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Old April 14th, 2007, 01:55 PM   #14
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newer one with flat base, why do you ask?
plan on getting one?


Yeah, I have been wanting one. I have heard the older ones are a little harder to shoot film with cause the viewfinder is not as good. That's why I was asking if it was a newer or older one.

How is the viewfinder in the one you used? I have never handled a Bolex, just curious how hard it is to see through the viewfinder.
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Old April 14th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #15
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So let's say I've never shot on film before and I wanted to give it a try. What's a pretty inexpensive way to go about doing it? What is starting prices to get into a decent used 16mm camera, or should I just go to super 8 or something?
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