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Emmanuel Plakiotis August 30th, 2007 11:50 AM

optical viewfinder

There is an article in Studio Daily blogs that states that a redisigned mini will feature an optical viewfinder. Is this true or is this a misconception of the author of the article?

If it is not true and since I belive that an optical viewfinder is of paramount importance during filming, I will like to ask the developers of the camera if they plan to incorporate one in the near future.

Brian Drysdale August 30th, 2007 12:14 PM

Given the prices quoted, I'd assume that it's not a rotating mirror V/F system. Also, fitting one of those would need an increase in the size of the Mini.

Jason Rodriguez August 30th, 2007 02:56 PM

I guess then you would like to really know then what a little birdie from Germany told me :)

. . . it said "Wait for IBC" . . . speculate away!

Bob Grant August 30th, 2007 05:46 PM

I'll bite with a fairly obvious question. Where does this leave those of us who have long ago pretty much paid for a SI-2K and as yet still have no firm shipping date?

Bhaskar Dhungana August 30th, 2007 08:29 PM

I second Bob's concern. It's been almost exactly a year since we paid for my SI-2K and all we have been hearing is "wait for NAB" and "wait for IBC". It's about time you guys felt the heat and thought seriously about promises you have made to people who have already committed to your product.

Sergio Sanchez August 31st, 2007 01:33 AM

I agree with both of you guys... What will happen with us, the old Silicon Imaging customers?

John DeLuca August 31st, 2007 12:26 PM

I'll bite with a fairly obvious question. Where does this leave those of us who have long ago pretty much paid for a SI-2K and as yet still have no firm shipping date?****

I am wondering this myself. I know Ari said he was meeting with PS soon and would have more info when he got back. I'm guessing PS is having issues with production.

Gary Moss August 31st, 2007 03:50 PM

I made a substantial down payment right after NAB, but don’t think of myself as an “old customer,” rather a customer who deserves first consideration. I think SI should assign reservation numbers like Red and make a public commitment to deliver in the order reservations (doesn’t that sound better) were received. Rather than feeling left behind because of our early payments, I think we’re entitled to the best treatment. After all, in effect we’ve made interest free loans to SI and I'm sure many, like me, are having to rent gear while waiting for their ever receding delivery date.

Brian Drysdale August 31st, 2007 04:37 PM

SI seems to have a communications problems here, leaving their customers dissatisfied,

Looking at the release the optical viewfinder only affects the Mini, not the SI 2K section. There seems to be problems with a number of these new HD cameras and it's better that the bugs are sorted pre delivery rather than on a production.

However, RED seem to have handled their delays pretty well in this regard, although their final production version's dates could drift as well. As against the none fully functional version being delivered today.

Bob Grant August 31st, 2007 06:22 PM

I think the issues go deeper than just communicating what's happening, simple good business practices such as receipt of payment aren't happening. Sending large sums of money via wire transfers is a big enough worry, not getting notification that it got into the right account gives rise to customers with ulcers. The average bod on eBay can manage this courtesy on a $10 sale. In all fairness to SI, RED have fallen down pretty badly in this area too. I think all these companies that are entering this arena need to not just understand the engineering issues but realise that shipping products to clients can require a different or additional business model compared to how they've worked in the past.
Also it's one thing to get the run around between people in the one company, getting caught in the middle of finger pointing between SI and P+S is another.

I certainly don't want to put out any negative vibes here, the product is fantastic, the images are to die for, but the image the manufacturer is generating seem to need some debayering :)

Brian Drysdale August 31st, 2007 07:57 PM

Sounds rather like they haven't yet moved from the engineering development to the sales and support stages required to build up the client base.

Steve Nordhauser August 31st, 2007 08:16 PM

First, I'd like to thank all of you for your interest in our camera. I'd like to assure you that it is real. As you have surmised, the move into production is taking much longer than we realized. P+S has brought their tremendous mechanical and optical experience to the new camera design. They have also brought a fine German sense of rigorous design and testing that we are not used to but will benefit everyone once we get the volume up on the camera production.

There will be some new announcements for IBC - some good stuff that people have been asking for.

My apologies to everyone who has been waiting for production cameras.
My Best,
Steve Nordhauser

Ari Presler August 31st, 2007 10:29 PM

I know it is frustrating about the delivery schedule delays on the complete SI-2K. Both SI and P+S are burning the midnight oil to complete the production process together with ALL FUNCTIONALITY (and then some) and we hope to fill current backlog for the "NEW" production SI-2K during the next 60-days (or sooner).

Based on the feedback at NAB and valuable input from P+S, we jointly made the decision to significantly improve the SI-2K product family; to make it more modular and field upgradeable. This was done to preserve investment, expand the usefulness in new applications, provide an easy mechanism for field service and the potential for future hardware enhancements. We have added many incremental capabilities and improved the mechanical, optical, electronic and imaging capabilities. These capabilities far surpass the original expectations we set out for the product. All these have been added at considerable cost to the product, while also increasing its performance and value in the market. We will be releasing more data about these enhancements and several new modular options and add-ons, which are now enabled for the SI-2K, during IBC.

Thank you for your continued support and patience.

Sergio Sanchez September 1st, 2007 02:10 AM

Ari and Steve:

I think it would be a good idea to mantain the webpage up to date with this kind of information... Its good to hear that from you...

Brian Drysdale September 1st, 2007 04:30 AM

For documentary work, the Phil Rhode's suggestion of a histogram in the optical viewfinder would be a good option.

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