SI-1920 mini with steadicam Merlin at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > High Definition Video Acquisition > HD and UHD ( 2K+ ) Digital Cinema > Silicon Imaging SI-2K

Silicon Imaging SI-2K
2/3" 1080p IT-integrated 10-bit digital cinema w/direct-to-disk recording.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old August 21st, 2006, 09:16 AM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kathmandu, Nepal
Posts: 32
SI-1920 mini with steadicam Merlin

Hi,
I was wondering if we can use the SI mini with Merlin. Looks like the detachable head would be perfect for Merlin. The only concern I would have is the camera being too "front heavy" after attaching lens on it. I think it should work with the smaller lens. What do you think?
Bhaskar Dhungana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2006, 09:49 AM   #2
Trustee
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,570
One can simply move the camera/lens back on the mount. At a pinch that might mean a little work making an adaptor plate but hardly anything complex.
Bob Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2006, 01:39 PM   #3
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 1,095
It should work fine, don't see what would be the issues . . . with certain larger zooms being front heavy just means as Bob said, making an adapter plate that allows you to slide the whole camera head further back.
Jason Rodriguez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 2nd, 2006, 04:33 PM   #4
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 59
Just beware that with a small rig like that the camera cable will most definitely make it next to impossible to operate properly.
Anders Holck Petersen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2006, 09:16 AM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 658
Although,
Correct me if I'm wrong, You could be wearing a laptop and streaming into that. Yes?
I was thinking of a small Laptop (provided it's fast enough) attached to the vest of my steadicam rig to stream the footage into via Cineform Raw.

questions being:
- Is this viable?
- Any specific Laptops you'd recommend? I am mostly Apple, but I have been thinking of a Tablet PC anyway (though a faster MacBook when Cineform does FCP is an option too)
- Would a Fast Tablet work?
- Is there a way to get the Mini and Upgrade to the full package when money comes in?
John Benton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2006, 11:55 AM   #6
Hawaiian Shirt Mogul
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: northern cailfornia
Posts: 1,261
also don't forget that the SI camera with body ( recorder) the CMOS block is removeable from the body= removed it's basically a mini and you still can use the body to record ...
Don Donatello is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2006, 08:59 PM   #7
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 1,095
A fast tablet would work, although at this point we can't certify the GMA950 embedded graphics anymore . . . we're working on some cool features, and since our application is DirectX-based, you need to have some half-decent video hardware (meaning discreet chipset graphics from ATI or Nvidia, not embedded GMA950 graphics).
Jason Rodriguez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2006, 03:08 PM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 658
Thanks Jason,
ok so maybe I give up on the tablet idea (though I need one for other apps & it would be nice to use with SI mini)
http://global.acer.com/products/tablet_pc/tmc200.htm
though I am not sure of the NIC/ethernet port here to get the footage in

so, what will I need?
- Mini (doesn't come with Lense) but comes with Arri PL mount (?)
- laptop fast enough to run Cineform Raw & suck in the footage which I will then transfer to edit
- Lenses
John Benton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2006, 03:11 PM   #9
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 1,095
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Benton
so, what will I need?
- Mini (doesn't come with Lense) but comes with Arri PL mount (?)
- laptop fast enough to run Cineform Raw & suck in the footage which I will then transfer to edit
- Lenses

Yup, basically that's the deal . . . BTW, you can also use the laptop to edit, and there's a couple more unannounced goodies you can use it for as well.
Jason Rodriguez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2006, 08:28 PM   #10
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 658
Thanks Jason,
I am very interested in the Mini
(Q #1) assuming it is possible to upgrade to the full camera?

but I can get a start with:
- the Mini
-PL mount (or does the head come with C mount? or F mount?)-------(Q #2)
-edit suite (Prospect 2K and Premiere)

(Q#3) If I am recording with the Mini do I have an interface (Cineform?) to control aspects of how I am recording (speeds/size/"looks")

(Q#4) If I go from Mini to Laptop is fast enough to use as monitor or can I use my Marshall hd monitor with componant in...ie what inputs/outputs are in th Mini besides Gig-ethernet?

I may need to aquire a tablet before and it would be great to know if "in theory" something like this would work? ( I am still not completly certain of the ethernet teather to camera) ------(Q #5)
http://global.acer.com/products/tablet_pc/tmc200.htm

Excuse the newbie questions, but this camer/workflow seem too good to be true

Thanks for all your patience & help ! I am greatly looking forward to Nov.
J
John Benton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2006, 11:06 PM   #11
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 1,095
No problem, "newbie" questions are welcome here :)

Q1: I'll have to defer that to Steve since he's the one arranging the packages . . . in theory it is possible since the DVR and the mini use the same camera head

Q2: The camera comes with a C-mount and PL-mount . . . you can use both . . . you take off the PL-mount and you end up with a c-mount. That way you can use very cheap, inexpensive lenses, and then upgrade to "real" glass later on as your budget dictates. Or you can just keep a small lens on the shelf for quick grab shots.

Q3: Yes, there is a complete interface for controlling the camera and compression settings.

Q4: It's fast enough to use a monitor . . . you software supports dual-monitor configurations, so you can have two different monitor driven at two different resolutions.

Q5: I'm again not sure about the tablets, I know the dual monitor configurations need a dedicated GPU because the embedded stuff simply isn't fast enough. Ideally you want the fastest workstation-style laptop you can get your hands on.

I hope this helps, and the cameras are not far away (shipping VERY soon).

Thanks,

Jason
Jason Rodriguez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30th, 2006, 10:19 AM   #12
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 658
Jason,
Thank you so much !
The tablet, I know, was probably not a great idea.
I have steadicam and strapping a small laptop to the vest to both use as monitor and recording device is Very intreguing

I can't wait to see what's coming in Nov

Thanks again,
John
John Benton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30th, 2006, 05:03 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Juneau, Alaska, USA
Posts: 624
Ok, I have to admit that I don't know very much (at all) about this camera.

How thick is the cable from the head?

Almost *any* cable at all will cause trouble with the Merlin.

- Mikko
Mikko Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30th, 2006, 06:51 PM   #14
Hawaiian Shirt Mogul
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: northern cailfornia
Posts: 1,261
cable is networking cable ( cat 45 size i believe) ..
take a look around at pictures/clips from "spoon" production

http://indiefilmlive.blogspot.com/
Don Donatello is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30th, 2006, 08:19 PM   #15
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 1,095
The spoon guys were using the cat5e/cat6 ethernet cables with their rigs and didn't have any issues. Performance was wonderful.
Jason Rodriguez is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > High Definition Video Acquisition > HD and UHD ( 2K+ ) Digital Cinema > Silicon Imaging SI-2K

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:21 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network