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Old August 17th, 2014, 12:42 PM   #76
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The AX100 uses XAVC-S which I understand to be 8 bit, 4:2:0, long GOP.
I've read that the plan for the X70 is to provide for XAVC 10 bit, 4:2:2, 50 mbs, long GOP
The 50-Mbps, 10-bit XAVC announced for the X70 is for HD. The AX100's XAVC-S requires 60 Mbps for 8-bit, 4:2:0, long-GOP QFHD. I think it's unlikely that, for 4K/QFHD on the X70, they'd be able to get a higher bit depth and better color encoding into a lower data rate.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 12:55 PM   #77
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The difference between the FDR-AX1 and the PXW-Z100 is that the the Z100 is 422 10bit XAVC and FDR-AX1 is 420 8 bit XAVC-S lacking HD SDI interfaces etc that are on the Z100. Both are waiting for a promised firmware update to make a few interface work etc including the ability to also record AVCHD 2.0. The new X180/160 have this range of codecs at 1920x1080 so I am hoping that they will include the full range when they upgrade the firmware and my AX1 will get 10 bit 422 but lack HD SDI interfaces etc much like there was the difference between the NX5U and the AX2000. Personally I hope the upgrade to the X70 is a hardware change to XQD cards and 60P. There has to be a reason for the extra space in the hand grip other than adding the SDI interface etc. Is there a vent on the bottom for the fan !!!

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Old August 17th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #78
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Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100

This seems to be a new Sony site for the X70. Additional images, details and specs:

https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/micro-...roduct-PXWX70/
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Old August 17th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #79
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.... one from the two is a lie....in cause to 1080 50p

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http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/br...-x70/features/
The PXW-X70 records XAVC Long GOP 422 10-bit 1920 x 1080 50p/60p/50i/60i/ 30p/25p/24p at 50 Mbps
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https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/micro-...roduct-PXWX70/
Recording Format: XALC Long : XAVC-L 50 mode - 1920x1080/59.94i, 50i, 29.97p, 23.98p, 25p
- 1280x720/59.94p, 50p

or should I to say: ..Ohh, It is a Sony..(website) ;-))

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Old August 17th, 2014, 08:09 PM   #80
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I too see a difference in specs to that quoted on the UK site. Not unusual for the North American site to get things wrong on first posting !!!

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Old August 17th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #81
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Interesting... the $2599 suggested retail price puts this camera squarely in Canon XA20 territory, and not in the realm of the more expensive and just-released Canon XF200 like some have suggested.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #82
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Interesting... the $2599 suggested retail price puts this camera squarely in Canon XA20 territory, and not in the realm of the more expensive and just-released Canon XF200 like some have suggested.
In fact, I have been waiting patiently for a replacement for my XA20- the X70 definitely solves that problem.
It's going to be brutal competition for Canon
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Old August 18th, 2014, 02:41 AM   #83
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Yes the price point was a happy surprise.
I was ready to replace my JVC HM150 with the XF200 to get the three control rings but when reading about the really nice features like the press-to lock, future 4K and large sensor I begun to wonder how much more then the XF200 I would be.
And then it's less. :)
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Old August 18th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #84
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In fact, I have been waiting patiently for a replacement for my XA20- the X70 definitely solves that problem.
It's going to be brutal competition for Canon
It will be brutal, considering that B&H are asking $2299 for the X70 and not the full-pop MSRP of $2599.00. The only avenues Canon have here are:

a) drop the price of the XA25 (the X70 has a single SDI output, amazingly enough) and the XA20 too,

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b) drop the price on the just-released XF200 so their customers don't feel it's such a long stretch to get a camera that might be more of a pro camera in terms of function and features.

I really think Sony blindsided Canon with the X70, because Canon don't have ANY 4K-capable cameras in their line-up right now, and none on the horizon.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 08:31 AM   #85
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I agree Ron,
but back we go again with the distribution. DVD are obsolete , bluray are unknown to the most,..... ).
Well all my delivery is DVD and a few Bluray nothing on the internet or by file !!! 4K for me is ONLY to crop a 1920x1080 from the 4K file. Everyone has their own viewpoint. I think we may see 4K appear quicker than people think.

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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:00 AM   #86
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CVP has released their starting price as one of the first in Europe. It's even under 2K euros ex-VAT. This camcorder really seems much value for the money. 1,590 / 1990 ex-VAT.

Buy - Sony PXW-X70//C (PXW70C) 1.0 type Exmor R CMOS sensor compact XDCAM camcorder with 12x zoom lens recording XAVC, AVCHD and DV
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #87
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Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100

Is the rolling shutter that much of a thing? I've been hearing about this crap for years, only ever had a problem with it when dealing with camera flashes.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:29 AM   #88
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It's a very aggressive pricing. Even if the 4k-update would add another 4-500 it will be interesting to see if canon changes their prices for the XA-series and XF200.
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Well all my delivery is DVD and a few Bluray nothing on the internet or by file !!! 4K for me is ONLY to crop a 1920x1080 from the 4K file. Everyone has their own viewpoint. I think we may see 4K appear quicker than people think.

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distribution is important, actually makes all the difference. DVD is great, but I don't see any difference between the footage of my old XL1 and ea50 (on DVD), and that takes away all the fun (and meaning) of participating in a discussion about video quality.
4K is the future but then it will depend on the media I'll have available. right now there is only the internet and memory cards for better quality. no other options on the horizon. and don't you think that we should be ready with the media to be used to distribute FIRST? 4K monitors will get more and more available, and back we go to the media used to share the video work: DVD? don't think so. bluray is a ghost , nobody saw it and nobody knows what it is. so it's youtube or memory cards . and that's it. computers are the TV of the future, so is 4K , but the media?
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Old August 20th, 2014, 09:03 AM   #90
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Will this PMXW-X70 besides the original NP-FV70 also accept the larger NP-FV100 which is now targeted for use with the HXR-NX30?
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