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Bill Petropoulos July 28th, 2014 11:54 PM

Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Sony Announces PXW-X70 XDCAM Professional Compact Camcorder at DV Info Net

Turns out it will have 4K... as a paid upgrade in 2015.

Les Wilson July 29th, 2014 06:01 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Finally, a nice B-camera camcorder with decent codec and large sensor. Love the SDI out and WiFi control of iris and recording. 1" sensor and nice set of CODECS including XDCAM. Hope the DR is good.

Petter Flink July 29th, 2014 06:36 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Nice camera indeed.

It seems to be able to record all frame rates as well; 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60 instead of those PAL/NTSC framerate fees Canon charge for the XF-series.

Too bad Sony didn't went with the same three ring design Canon uses on their new XF200. On the other side the X70 offers a 4k future - although for a fee.

Mark Fry July 29th, 2014 07:16 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Petter Flink (Post 1856591)
It seems to be able to record all frame rates as well; 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60 instead of those PAL/NTSC framerate fees Canon charge for the XF-series.

The interesting thing will be which frame rates are available in 4K. The AX100 is unable to squeeze 50/60 fps at 4k - at the moment. OTOH, if the X70 can do 50/60 fps at 4k post-upgrade, maybe the AX100 will get an equivalent upgrade at around the same time?

Lawrence Bansbach July 29th, 2014 07:33 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Unless I missed something, it's not clear whether the 4K upgrade will be 10-bit 4:2:2 XAVC, or only 8-bit 4:2:0 XAVC-S.

Andy Wilkinson July 29th, 2014 09:57 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Official Sony UK press release about the PXW-X70 on the link below - it's a bit easier to read than web translated stuff too!

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/press/pr-s...p=scl-cc-10324

Petter Flink July 29th, 2014 11:48 AM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Yes the information about the future firmware upgrade is a bit austere.

The Sony press release page states 20Mpixel sensor while their Features page say 14.2MP.
3 levels of mechanical ND-filters is great though.

Bill Petropoulos July 29th, 2014 12:01 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Some sample footage:

PXW-X70 Teaser Video. | XDCAM-USER.COM[/quote]

Noa Put July 29th, 2014 01:20 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Fry (Post 1856596)
The interesting thing will be which frame rates are available in 4K. The AX100 is unable to squeeze 50/60 fps at 4k - at the moment. OTOH, if the X70 can do 50/60 fps at 4k post-upgrade, maybe the AX100 will get an equivalent upgrade at around the same time?

I don't see that happening for the ax100 if they where able to enable 50p for 4K, it's a way for Sony to only give the higher end models extra features for a much higher price.

Noa Put July 29th, 2014 01:21 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Petropoulos (Post 1856635)

Honestly, I have seen better looking downsampled ax100 footage.

Tony Maceo July 29th, 2014 01:57 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Thanks to dSLR and mirrorless cameras, this smaller form factor is more client -acceptable when they're paying profession fees these days. Not the case for me several moons ago. The AX100 didn't tick all the right buttons for me and I wanted to make a 4k upgrade when I had all the supporting gears such as storage and 4K monitors, capture cards, etc. I like the 4k upgrade fee when you're ready... Hope it's priced right shipped. Please Sony, we'll love you to all ends.

Bill Petropoulos July 29th, 2014 02:28 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Maceo (Post 1856659)
Hope it's priced right shipped. Please Sony, we'll love you to all ends.

Based off the price of 280,000 Yen that was posted on some Japanese sites, we should get it for under $3K.

Lawrence Bansbach July 29th, 2014 02:39 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Petropoulos (Post 1856662)
Based off the price of 280,000 Yen that was posted on some Japanese sites, we should get it for under $3K.

Unclear what the 4K upgrade will cost. It would be nice if the 4K upgrade had a 4,096 x 2,160 option in addition to UltraHD, 10- or 12-bit 4:2:2 XAVC, and 12-bit compressed raw (e.g., CineForm RAW) over the 3G-SDI port.

Jack Zhang July 29th, 2014 03:04 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
It is highly unlikely we will see 4K60p from this camera since it shares the same encoders as the AX100. The ASICs could be hard-coded to be limited in 4K to 30p. Try to encode 60p and the thing would overheat. Remember the TM700's active fan?

I'd also expect the same amount of skew as the AX100, which isn't really desirable for sports stuff.

Dave Blackhurst July 29th, 2014 03:31 PM

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 
Second SD slot, that's handy, but why the delay on 4K capability.... hmm, are they trying to squeeze out 50/60p perhaps? Hopefully they are taking into account the few criticisms of the AX100 and pushing for better performance...


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