Z90 or Z150

Cliff Totten · October 29th, 2017, 08:39 PM

So it's absolutely no secret at all to "Sony watchers" that the Z150 is the next camera to be updated with the Z90's sensor, processing and 99% of it's firmware code. This all hit the RX10-IV a month ago then got ported over to the Z90 and of course the Z150 sucessor...may be a "Z170"?

So what will this "Z170" probably have? Of course, all of the guts and gammas of the Z90 but with a three ring lens. (all fly by wire)

But hold on,....You guys all know that the Z150 has fan cooling vents today. How about this,..."could" the "Z170" be given 60p 4k? It has an active cooling body, something no other 1 inch-type Sony camera has ever needed before. Hmmmm.

I would like to see Sony build off this Z90 sensor and processing combo with a "real" mechanical lens like a Fujinon EX1 lens with real gears and stops. If they can swing a constant f2.8, that would be fantastic. If they gave it 10bit recording that would make it a damn good ENG camera at $6,000 or so.

I'm pretty sure Sony would not be able to build them fast enough if they offered that for $6k.

CT

Doug Carter · October 30th, 2017, 04:46 PM

I think it was about two years from the X70 to Z150 announcement. Holding out for a "Z170" may not be the best solution for me. Hopefully, the Z150 image processor is new enough to support most, if not all of the Z90 purported firmware enhancements.

Cliff Totten · October 30th, 2017, 07:55 PM

I strongly suspect the Z150 successor will come at NAB 2018. They already have the vast majority of the work completed with the RX10-IV and Z90. It's just swapping out the motherboard and porting over the existing Z90 firmware programming.

Now, if they want to add 60p 4k and maybe 10bit, then yeah, that could require more work for Sony.

I suspect they will keep the current Z150 in place for a while after this "Z170" is announced.

The problem Sony has right now is the price relationship between the Z90 and more expensive Z150 is completely upside down! The Z150 has all the new phase detection circuits and SLOG-2/3 and touch screen....yet is significantly cheaper that the Z150. The only thing the Z150 has to fall back on is that it's larger has has 3 "fly by wire" lens rings and that is really not enough to justify it's higher price over the more feature packed Z90.

Sony,...at least give the Z150 SLOG! I mean,....damn,...how many Sony products UNDER the Z150 have SLOG?....NINE? Nine cheaper Sony cameras have SLOG below the Z150? NINE cheaper models??? NINE?????

CT

October 29th, 2017, 08:39 PM	#16
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: Z90 or Z150 So it's absolutely no secret at all to "Sony watchers" that the Z150 is the next camera to be updated with the Z90's sensor, processing and 99% of it's firmware code. This all hit the RX10-IV a month ago then got ported over to the Z90 and of course the Z150 sucessor...may be a "Z170"? So what will this "Z170" probably have? Of course, all of the guts and gammas of the Z90 but with a three ring lens. (all fly by wire) But hold on,....You guys all know that the Z150 has fan cooling vents today. How about this,..."could" the "Z170" be given 60p 4k? It has an active cooling body, something no other 1 inch-type Sony camera has ever needed before. Hmmmm. I would like to see Sony build off this Z90 sensor and processing combo with a "real" mechanical lens like a Fujinon EX1 lens with real gears and stops. If they can swing a constant f2.8, that would be fantastic. If they gave it 10bit recording that would make it a damn good ENG camera at $6,000 or so. I'm pretty sure Sony would not be able to build them fast enough if they offered that for $6k. CT

October 30th, 2017, 04:46 PM	#17
Doug Carter New Boot Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Pacific Grove, CA Posts: 5	Re: Z90 or Z150 I think it was about two years from the X70 to Z150 announcement. Holding out for a "Z170" may not be the best solution for me. Hopefully, the Z150 image processor is new enough to support most, if not all of the Z90 purported firmware enhancements.

October 30th, 2017, 07:55 PM	#18
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: Z90 or Z150 I strongly suspect the Z150 successor will come at NAB 2018. They already have the vast majority of the work completed with the RX10-IV and Z90. It's just swapping out the motherboard and porting over the existing Z90 firmware programming. Now, if they want to add 60p 4k and maybe 10bit, then yeah, that could require more work for Sony. I suspect they will keep the current Z150 in place for a while after this "Z170" is announced. The problem Sony has right now is the price relationship between the Z90 and more expensive Z150 is completely upside down! The Z150 has all the new phase detection circuits and SLOG-2/3 and touch screen....yet is significantly cheaper that the Z150. The only thing the Z150 has to fall back on is that it's larger has has 3 "fly by wire" lens rings and that is really not enough to justify it's higher price over the more feature packed Z90. Sony,...at least give the Z150 SLOG! I mean,....damn,...how many Sony products UNDER the Z150 have SLOG?....NINE? Nine cheaper Sony cameras have SLOG below the Z150? NINE cheaper models??? NINE????? CT Last edited by Cliff Totten; October 31st, 2017 at 07:01 AM.