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Old October 16th, 2017, 10:38 AM   #16
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Re: NEW REC709 Picture Profile (Oct 2017)

I will try Paul's next.


The one above with the lower parameters is the best so far to my eye.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 07:35 AM   #17
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Paul, I have used so many of your updates in my X70s, I have lost track. Please repost the LATEST and greatest!

BTW, to my eyes, each successor has been an improvement.

Many, many thanks!
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Old October 19th, 2017, 08:37 AM   #18
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This is my current working set October 19, 2017. 19 October 2017 for you weird 50Hz shooters :-P

I am starting to put a date on these so that it might be easier to ignore older profiles.

Black Level: 0
Gamma: ITU709
Black Gamma: off
Knee: Manual, 87.5%, -2
Color Mode: ITU709 Matrix
Saturation: 0
Color Phase: 0
Color Depth: R 0, G 0, B 0, C 0, M 0, Y-0 (woking on updating these)
Color Correction: Revision 1&2
Mem1 Color: 10, 3, 0
Mem1 Revision: +4, 0
Mem2 Color: 31, 2, 0
Mem2 Revision: 0, -15
WB Shift: off for push to white/LB-CC [MG-GR] +1 for manual set WB
Detail, manual default settings

I will be working on the color depths a bit, difficult since they can cause major noise issues if you push them too far. This current set is a very simple one consisting of only two color correction adjustments. You can easily see if they improve the stock ITU709 PP for you by just toggling color revision off and back on in the menu.

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Old October 20th, 2017, 06:04 AM   #19
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Paul, that is great!

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Old October 20th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #20
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Anyone know who admins this forum? Would be nice to have a Picture profile sticky like they do on the other camera model forums.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 04:20 AM   #21
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I put the camera back on the scope (waveform) to see if the color depth settings could be improved, but I really didn't see anything wrong with them, so I left them as default 0's. Shot some footage tonight, not seeing anything off, reds, yellows, blues, skin tone, all look accurate. The settings listed do look a bit less saturated than I would prefer for direct to air, but am very satisfied with the new PP.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 08:00 AM   #22
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Here is a quick scene I shot with the new PP. I forgot how noisy and ugly the X70 is compared to my old Z150!! Let me know if anything looks off to you. The red LED's change hue from slightly magenta to true red depending on angle...weird...

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Old October 24th, 2017, 08:03 PM   #23
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Looks really good to me- amazing in such crappy lighting
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Old November 28th, 2017, 06:22 AM   #24
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Here is a quick scene I shot with the new PP. I forgot how noisy and ugly the X70 is compared to my old Z150!! Let me know if anything looks off to you. The red LED's change hue from slightly magenta to true red depending on angle...weird...
Looks great with the exception of the noise you mentioned...... Thanks, Ray
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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:55 AM   #25
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I always felt....but I dont "know" this.....that adjusting picture profiles on these rec709 Sony cameras only modifies an existing rec709 gamma mapping from the sensor.

Get it? I dont know but its like we are changing and trying to get more dynamic range from an image that was already capped on the readout mapping source.

We know Slog is completely different. This gamma curve is created from the FULL sensor readout first and then sent down the pipe for processing.

I dont know for sure but it just "seems" like X70 and other models profiles and knees are being done to an already finished rec709 image.

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Old November 30th, 2017, 01:20 AM   #26
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My picture profiles are basically COLOR CORRECTION modifiers only, they pretty much keep all the other settings at default, except KNEE.

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Old November 30th, 2017, 07:34 AM   #27
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Paul, that is a great explanation!
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Old December 15th, 2017, 09:14 AM   #28
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Paul,

I went back to your PP since I found my camera was in HG2, Color Mode BT 2020, not Cinematone 1 or the ITU709. Sorry for the confusion, user error.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 03:25 PM   #29
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But there is just too much noise with so sticking with Doug's that I changed a bit.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 03:43 PM   #30
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Too much noise when color correction only settings are turned on?

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