HD vs SD glass again

[Simon Wyndham]

Many thanks for these Steve. I can see a difference in those shots. And I can definitely see a huge difference between the 350 and 700 shots.

[Paul Cronin]

Any new developments with lens choices and the PDW-700?

I have had a hell of a time with my camera options this winter upgrading and made a mistake I am correcting. I purchased a Red One and the workflow does not cut it for me along with 2K slow motion which is why I purchased the camera. At 2K it is not any better then my XDCAM EX1. Red One is excellent at 3K, 4K but that is not my client base which is 1080p BluRay or full size QuickTime. At least the Red holds their value.

So I am pushing on and tired of it but now have learned XDCAM works for me. My next step is EX3 or PDW-700 which both are being quoted for me now. And I need to know what not to buy with regard to glass on the 700? I would be buying a used lens from the rental department or a B-Lens. Of course great advice Greg Boston gave me months ago is test each lens which I will. Looking for input and please don't beat me up on my Red One mistake. I am a engineer and have always in my life tried for perfection and it does get me in trouble. At least my business is rocking so the funds are there to a point.

I will be testing next Tuesday so I have some time.

Anyone interested in a 6 week old Red One?

[Mike Marriage]

I haven't been particularly wowed by any HD zooms yet. I think it is partly because the cameras are so sharp that they show imperfections that we are not used to seeing.

I was working with a photographer who had just got upgraded to the EOS 1Ds Mk3. I asked what he thought of it and he said "Well, I can see all the imperfections in my lenses now." I think it is a similar case with HD.

I'm not a big fan of the HJ11 but this new HJ14 could be good... it should be at the price! Has anyone had a chance to use it yet?

[Alister Chapman]

Steer well clear of the budget Canon KJ20x8.5. Can't believe this is being sold as a HD lens. It's really soft at the edges and produces bucket loads of CA.

[Paul Cronin]

Excellent input Alister thanks. One shop was telling me that lens is a great deal no wonder why.

I told all three shop that I would prefer to have a fairly wide lens if I am going to only have one. I can rent for the times I need really long. I think this makes sense?

The factor should be 2.85 to compare to 35mm numbers correct?

[Paul Cronin]

How about the Canon HJ11EX4.7Birse HD?

[Paul Cronin]

Here are a few more I have been offered:

Fujinon:
ZA17x7.6 BERM HD Digi Power ENG Zoom
XA17x7.6 BERM-M58B W/2X extender CAC

This one is twice the money:
ZA12x4.5 BERM HD Digi Power ENG Zoom

Canon HDgc series KJ13x6KRS

What do you guys know about these?

[Paul Cronin]

Sorry Mike I did not see your comment when i posted. The HJ11 seems very expensive for the used lens they are selling and interesting you don't like it.

It would be nice to be on the wide side and the ZA12x4.5 is also very expensive used. I know the 2/3" HD glass is expensive but I would think 20% used is not much of a discount on the ZA12 and HJ11.

Now the other three I have listed are 1/2 the price of the ZA12 and the HJ11 or less. The Canon is very inexpensive. Am I missing something here? I will test and have read all the information on all the above lens plus others.

Just trying to be prepped for the demo.

[Steve Phillipps]

Paul, I did tests with most of those lenses, do a quick search. Best reasonable price lens I found was probably the Canon HJ17x7.6.
Steve

[Paul Cronin]

Thanks Steve,

I must have missed it in the search I will hunt it down. Thanks for the recommendation.

[Paul Cronin]

Found this helpful .pdf for the Canon 2/3" and 1/2" lens line.

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/indust...%20General.pdf

[Paul Cronin]

Tested the PDW-700 with the Canon HJ17x7.6 yesterday in Boston. Very nice camera and lens combination.

My plan is to rent from Rule to see how well this setup works in the field for me.

[Mat Thompson]

I know this is an old thread but I've just come accross it and it makes interesting reading. - Just to completely clarify which lens is 1 and which is 2 ??


Quote - Here are some more side by sides. Lenses were Canon J14x8.5 and Canon HJ22x7.6. a1,b1 and c1 were with one lens, a2, b2 and c2 were with the others. I CAN tell the difference, what do you think? PDW700, -6db, f5.6.
Steve
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[Steve Phillipps]

Hi Mat,
Sorry, I really can't remember which is which now, thought I would have mentioned it in the thread but no!
On looking closely lens 1 looks slightly better so I would assume that was the HD lens, but I think the conclusion is that it's actually pretty close, and that the J14 is a really old lens.
Steve

[Alister Chapman]

I recently did a camera shootout with a range of cameras:

XDCAM-USER.com 6 Camera Shootout: Panasonic 3700, 301, 200, Sony 700, 350, EX3

If you download the zip file you find there are frame grabs from the PDW-700 with both an older Canon J16 SD lens and a HJ14. It's all but impossible to tell which is which. Also grabs from the PMW-350 with both the kit lens and Canon HJ14.