PDW-700 Hypergamma? at DVinfo.net

Thierry Humeau · February 4th, 2009, 10:57 PM

In reading through Sony's white paper on Hypergamma, using it seems like a no brainer. Has anyone tried it yet?

Here is the link to Sony's Hypergamma memo
Sony : Digital Cinematography with Hypergamma : United Kingdom

Brian Drysdale · February 5th, 2009, 03:40 AM

I've used Hypergamma, it really does improve the dynamic range. On the Sony cameras there are 4 options, two of which seem to be for use when not really doing much "grading" or correction in post, whilst the others are intended for correction.

If you've got a camera, it would be worth testing which works for you.

The BBC uses the Hypergamma in their "film" settings on the HDW900R.

Andy Shipsides · February 26th, 2009, 07:56 PM

Hyper Gamma is a must. It really improves the range of the camera. I've made a couple looks based on the F900R and the camera matches very well.

Thierry Humeau · February 27th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Andy, Hyper Gamma works well indeed. I can really see a difference when shooting outdoors, wide shots, slightly backlit with a big cloudy sky. My only grip with HG is that it tends to wash blacks out and when trying to compensate by raising the black level, it is easy to over crush them.

Could you possibly share the AbelCine settings?

Thierry.

Andy Shipsides · February 27th, 2009, 04:14 PM

It does require some post work to correct for that effect. However I think the expanded range is worth the work later on.

Here are my looks. If you like them pass them on.. just let everyone know where they came from.

http://www.shipsides.com/AbelCineTec...0_Abelcine.zip

Thierry Humeau · February 27th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Will do, thanks for sharing those.

Thierry.

Bryan Harvey · February 27th, 2009, 09:53 PM

Hey Andy thanks for sharing. For some reason, I cant see anything in the folders though. Am I supposed to? Or perhaps did they not upload all the way?
Im really eager to try them out.

Andy Shipsides · February 27th, 2009, 10:44 PM

Hey Bryan

The zip files has data in it.. just buried in the Sony file structure. If you put that MSSONY folder on a Memory Stick you will be able to load the files in your camera. You may want to format the Memory stick in the camera before copying. If you want to find the files they are in MSSONY->PRO->CAMERA->HD_CAM. But if you want the camera to load the files they will need to remain in the structure they are in now.

Andy

Bryan Harvey · February 28th, 2009, 08:47 AM

Great! Look forward to testing them out today.

Thanks Andy.

David H. Brown · March 1st, 2009, 08:33 PM

Will putting this on my memory stick do anything to the data I already have on there?

Thierry Humeau · March 1st, 2009, 09:53 PM

You can store 100 scene files on a memory stick so just choose any slot that has not been used yet. It is pretty obvious to see those when you scan through the memory stick from the PDW-700 file "SCENE STORE" screen. Alternatively, the camera's internal memory aldo has 5 slots to save scene files. These are the first to show up when using "SCENE STORE".

Thierry.

Andy Shipsides · March 6th, 2009, 02:08 PM

Hey guys,

A DVInfo member pointed out to me that my settings aren't the best for SD recording. Many of my looks have Detail turned off. I think this looks good in HD.. but in SD you need some Detail enhancement. So when shooting SD with settings I would turn detail on and even also turn on SD Detail in the Paint menu.

Andy

February 4th, 2009, 10:57 PM	#1
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	PDW-700 Hypergamma? In reading through Sony's white paper on Hypergamma, using it seems like a no brainer. Has anyone tried it yet? Here is the link to Sony's Hypergamma memo Sony : Digital Cinematography with Hypergamma : United Kingdom __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

February 26th, 2009, 07:56 PM	#3
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	Hyper Gamma is a must. It really improves the range of the camera. I've made a couple looks based on the F900R and the camera matches very well. __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com

February 27th, 2009, 12:40 PM	#4
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	Andy, Hyper Gamma works well indeed. I can really see a difference when shooting outdoors, wide shots, slightly backlit with a big cloudy sky. My only grip with HG is that it tends to wash blacks out and when trying to compensate by raising the black level, it is easy to over crush them. Could you possibly share the AbelCine settings? Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

February 27th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#5
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	It does require some post work to correct for that effect. However I think the expanded range is worth the work later on. Here are my looks. If you like them pass them on.. just let everyone know where they came from. http://www.shipsides.com/AbelCineTec...0_Abelcine.zip __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com

February 27th, 2009, 05:30 PM	#6
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	Will do, thanks for sharing those. Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

February 5th, 2009, 03:40 AM	#2
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,143	I've used Hypergamma, it really does improve the dynamic range. On the Sony cameras there are 4 options, two of which seem to be for use when not really doing much "grading" or correction in post, whilst the others are intended for correction. If you've got a camera, it would be worth testing which works for you. The BBC uses the Hypergamma in their "film" settings on the HDW900R.

February 27th, 2009, 09:53 PM	#7
Bryan Harvey New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington DC Posts: 21	Hey Andy thanks for sharing. For some reason, I cant see anything in the folders though. Am I supposed to? Or perhaps did they not upload all the way? Im really eager to try them out.

February 27th, 2009, 10:44 PM	#8
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	Hey Bryan The zip files has data in it.. just buried in the Sony file structure. If you put that MSSONY folder on a Memory Stick you will be able to load the files in your camera. You may want to format the Memory stick in the camera before copying. If you want to find the files they are in MSSONY->PRO->CAMERA->HD_CAM. But if you want the camera to load the files they will need to remain in the structure they are in now. Andy __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com

February 28th, 2009, 08:47 AM	#9
Bryan Harvey New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington DC Posts: 21	Great! Look forward to testing them out today. Thanks Andy.

March 1st, 2009, 08:33 PM	#10
David H. Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 32	Will putting this on my memory stick do anything to the data I already have on there?

March 1st, 2009, 09:53 PM	#11
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	You can store 100 scene files on a memory stick so just choose any slot that has not been used yet. It is pretty obvious to see those when you scan through the memory stick from the PDW-700 file "SCENE STORE" screen. Alternatively, the camera's internal memory aldo has 5 slots to save scene files. These are the first to show up when using "SCENE STORE". Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

March 6th, 2009, 02:08 PM	#12
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	Hey guys, A DVInfo member pointed out to me that my settings aren't the best for SD recording. Many of my looks have Detail turned off. I think this looks good in HD.. but in SD you need some Detail enhancement. So when shooting SD with settings I would turn detail on and even also turn on SD Detail in the Paint menu. Andy __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com