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Michael Devlin · April 18th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Sony has now posted details on the new HDW-F900R. More upgrades and improvements than I thought from the original press release. The brochure seems to have borrowed lots of the artwork from the HDW-750 brochure.

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...ot/index.shtml

Simon Wyndham · April 19th, 2006, 01:15 AM

Very nice!

Ben Gurvich · April 20th, 2006, 05:13 AM

Is the 950 portable, with the SR recorder hanging around, can it be run and gunned?

-also Simon, what do you prefer for a filmlook from the xdcam?
Cheers,
Ben Gurvich

Simon Wyndham · April 20th, 2006, 06:06 AM

Nope, the 950 can't be run and gunned.

Ben, do you mean what settings do I prefer for filmlook?

Ben Gurvich · April 24th, 2006, 08:46 PM

Yes, There so many things to change. I just started playing with the gamma and it seems that "video 6 gamma" is nice and more crushed than film gamma

Simon Wyndham · April 25th, 2006, 01:39 AM

You mean STD 6 on the SD XDCAM? Yes, that will give a very crushed look with limited range.

The XDCAM HD has no such gamma option although it could be recreated.

Usually with my SD XDCAM I either shoot using the STD 3 gamma with detail adjusted for minimal enhancement, or with a filmlook usung STD gamma 4, detail switched off completely and the knee and black stretch adjusted.

I find that crushing the tones in-camera is a bad idea. I like to find the look that I want in post. Although I have got some setups for the cliched bleach bypass look, high saturation etc, most of which do actually use STD gamma 6. But I would make absolutely sure that you really wanted that look before using it in-camera. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to pull it back in post if you decide you don't like it.

Ben Gurvich · April 25th, 2006, 05:08 AM

yeah its quite severe. I'd rather shot flat too and do a look in post, but i heard that you lose more information doing it in post than in camera. But, ofcourse this limits your options.

Nick Hiltgen · April 25th, 2006, 05:58 AM

Forgive me as I haven't read the full info yet but as far as I was told the 900R is a lead free version of the f900 that incorporates HD-sdi in. But the 8 sec pre roll and the slow shutter look like fun too. Plus only 12lbs!?! Nice stuff! less camera ops and steadicam ops complaining is always a good thing.

Nick Hiltgen · April 25th, 2006, 05:58 AM

dual post deleted

Ben Gurvich · April 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM

Lead free, is that for Health Reasons?

Michael Devlin · April 27th, 2006, 06:51 PM

EU has imposed a bunch of new environmental requirements for electronics equipment to be sold in Europe. This includes a lead-free requirement and many others.

Nick Hiltgen · April 28th, 2006, 05:57 AM

Michael's right there are quite a few international market's that will not allow camera's to have that much lead in them for enviornmental reasons. I had a chance to look at the 900r and was suprised at how much it was like the 750. It is pretty much a mirror image of it except it does multiple frame rates. The thing that's going to be fun is teaching a whole new set of people the menu structure of the 900r (similar to the 750) which is completely different from the f900(h).

April 18th, 2006, 08:09 PM	#1
Michael Devlin Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zephyr Cove, NV & Anchorage, AK Posts: 82	CineAlta HDW-F900R Sony has now posted details on the new HDW-F900R. More upgrades and improvements than I thought from the original press release. The brochure seems to have borrowed lots of the artwork from the HDW-750 brochure. http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...ot/index.shtml __________________ Mike Devlin www.dangerouspassage.com

April 25th, 2006, 05:58 AM	#8
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Forgive me as I haven't read the full info yet but as far as I was told the 900R is a lead free version of the f900 that incorporates HD-sdi in. But the 8 sec pre roll and the slow shutter look like fun too. Plus only 12lbs!?! Nice stuff! less camera ops and steadicam ops complaining is always a good thing. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

April 25th, 2006, 05:58 AM	#9
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	dual post deleted __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

April 27th, 2006, 06:51 PM	#11
Michael Devlin Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zephyr Cove, NV & Anchorage, AK Posts: 82	EU has imposed a bunch of new environmental requirements for electronics equipment to be sold in Europe. This includes a lead-free requirement and many others. __________________ Mike Devlin www.dangerouspassage.com

April 28th, 2006, 05:57 AM	#12
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Michael's right there are quite a few international market's that will not allow camera's to have that much lead in them for enviornmental reasons. I had a chance to look at the 900r and was suprised at how much it was like the 750. It is pretty much a mirror image of it except it does multiple frame rates. The thing that's going to be fun is teaching a whole new set of people the menu structure of the 900r (similar to the 750) which is completely different from the f900(h). __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

April 19th, 2006, 01:15 AM	#2
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Very nice!

April 20th, 2006, 05:13 AM	#3
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	Is the 950 portable, with the SR recorder hanging around, can it be run and gunned? -also Simon, what do you prefer for a filmlook from the xdcam? Cheers, Ben Gurvich

April 20th, 2006, 06:06 AM	#4
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Nope, the 950 can't be run and gunned. Ben, do you mean what settings do I prefer for filmlook?

April 24th, 2006, 08:46 PM	#5
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	Yes, There so many things to change. I just started playing with the gamma and it seems that "video 6 gamma" is nice and more crushed than film gamma

April 25th, 2006, 01:39 AM	#6
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	You mean STD 6 on the SD XDCAM? Yes, that will give a very crushed look with limited range. The XDCAM HD has no such gamma option although it could be recreated. Usually with my SD XDCAM I either shoot using the STD 3 gamma with detail adjusted for minimal enhancement, or with a filmlook usung STD gamma 4, detail switched off completely and the knee and black stretch adjusted. I find that crushing the tones in-camera is a bad idea. I like to find the look that I want in post. Although I have got some setups for the cliched bleach bypass look, high saturation etc, most of which do actually use STD gamma 6. But I would make absolutely sure that you really wanted that look before using it in-camera. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to pull it back in post if you decide you don't like it.

April 25th, 2006, 05:08 AM	#7
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	yeah its quite severe. I'd rather shot flat too and do a look in post, but i heard that you lose more information doing it in post than in camera. But, ofcourse this limits your options.

April 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM	#10
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	Lead free, is that for Health Reasons?

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