Planning of doing side-by-side comparison on FX1 and HC1 - Page 2 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony HDV and DV Camera Systems > Sony HVR-A1 and HDR-HC Series

Sony HVR-A1 and HDR-HC Series
Sony's latest single-CMOS additions to their HDV camcorder line.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 5th, 2005, 09:01 AM   #16
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
Joe, well, maybe it is right now, since yen is very weak at this time.
The dealer I deal with is selling XL2 (body only, without the lens) for 321,300 yen (only supply lasts). You probably find more information in the XL2 thread better than here.

Pro Video Station Shinjuku
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 12:21 AM   #17
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,761
Chris, OK, I thought that sounded a bit too good to be true :|( no blush cheek smiley available for some reason ;) . I checked over the web and found the same figure, and even f1.6:f11 in comparison for the FX1. So I thought maybe they were trying to strangely handicap the camera by removing larger DOF's. Silly me ;) Still, approx half a stop loss for telephoto is good.
Wayne Morellini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 03:20 AM   #18
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
Okay, my staff emailed me (I was out to give lecture at a music college) and the cam is in.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 07:01 AM   #19
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
I will make few clips available on midnight.

Chris, you can copy the files to make them available at your ftp. I will close mine after you copy them.

Now, I'm off to the same Gap and the street to shoot the same angles and movement in Harajuku.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 08:32 AM   #20
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Thanks Kaku -- I'll let you (and everybody else) know when we have them.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 08:45 AM   #21
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
Geez,

Now I'm having the same problem that Frederic had, can't capture with FCP5 and 10.4.1. Do I have to reinstall the whole OS?
FCExpress is capturing okay, but it will be AIC that way.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 09:10 AM   #22
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
I guess I'm going to install 10.4 into my G-Tech G-RAID.

Because of this, it will take few more hours to start providing the files.

Last edited by Kaku Ito; July 6th, 2005 at 09:58 AM.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 11:33 AM   #23
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 40
Potential rolling shutter issue on the HC1

After reviewing other M2Ts out on the 'net, some have a vertical stretching type artefact. I think this stems from the HC1's CMOS sensor having a rolling shutter. If so then it must be scanning the sensor pretty slowly! Now I'm curious to see footage that has some vertical motion, across different shutter speeds. I think we may have a significant rolling shutter issue on our hands here.

Technically the faster you can read a sensor with no shutter, the better it should be. But from what I'm seeing here it may only be scanning at the rate of the shutter speed.

In addition to vertical motion uncovering this issue, another way it would show up is when a flash goes off in a frame. Normally on film or a CCD system with a shutter, if you have a quick flash such as with flash photography, lightning, an explosion, or a strobe, then the whole field is affected simultaneously. Those that have done frame by frame editing of events are well aware of what it looks like. One frame is normal, the next is brighter from the flash, and then after that it's back to normal again. But with a rolling shutter it will be a horizontal band, and not always affect the entire field. It would at least occasionally (and perhaps frequently) only show up on a part of the total field! Perhaps just a few lines, perhaps a broad section. So most of the image would be normal, but a portion would have a brighter band in the middle.

Altogether this is probably a new beast we're dealing with here. Good deshaking algorithms could compensate for some of the motion effects. But subjects travelling horizontally, especially moving quickly, would be tough to correct for.

(Anyone else out there technically inclined and understand what in the world I'm talking about?)

-Lorin
Lorin Thwaits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 12:42 PM   #24
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
Lorin,

The footage I just edited, was shot with shutter speed at 60 and it include the video of water and coffee going down from espresso machine.

Now I'm waiting for chris to provide me the login procedure to upload the edited m2t file.

I will do more test tomorrow on something going up and down (maybe cars going by with camera set sideways) at different shutter speeds.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 01:40 PM   #25
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
Here's the file

Here's the first clip for now.

This footage was shot with shutter speed "60", automatic f-stop and gain. It was shot early evening. Atuomatic white balance.

Probably it takes awhile for file transfer to complete.

dotMac filesharing page.

P.S. I could not do the comparison today (I was alone shooting video), but I will ask my wife to help me tomorrow.

Last edited by Kaku Ito; July 6th, 2005 at 02:00 PM.
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 03:35 PM   #26
New Boot
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 23
Thank you Kaku for the clip. <wow> It's almost 300 MB - the longest clip from HC1 available. Unfortunately I will have to wait till tomorrow to watch it - it's at night now and it downloads "only" at 20kB/s.

Thank you
Michal Laskowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 04:22 PM   #27
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 45
I've downloaded the clip, but i'm only getting the audio. I'm using both the VLC player and WM, neither work. I could view Kerr Cook's clips just fine, but not these.

Any suggestions?
Mike Farrington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 05:51 PM   #28
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 19
I have the same problem
Kuba Majewski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 07:57 PM   #29
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shibuya, Tokyo
Posts: 1,381
I left it as QuickTime HDV format and maybe that is why. How about downloading QuickTime 7? Will that work?
Anyway, I'm converting the file to "HDV1060i format" in "Compressor 2", so that should be more native?
Kaku Ito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2005, 08:40 PM   #30
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaku Ito
I left it as QuickTime HDV format and maybe that is why. How about downloading QuickTime 7?
Not for me. I've tried it on two different PC's with Quicktime 7.0 preview with no luck. I've been searching for codecs all night, but just cant seem to find one that works with this particular HDV file.

-Mike
Mike Farrington is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony HDV and DV Camera Systems > Sony HVR-A1 and HDR-HC Series

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:08 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network