Various questions Sony HC1

Graham Hickling · March 20th, 2006, 08:38 AM

Extra pixels get used when the electronic steady-shot is activated. Which pixels these are is not entirely clear, to me and my small brain at least.

I've had an HC1 for 2.5months now, viewing on a 48" RP HD Sony. The reds have never caught my attention as being problematic. The camera does have a 'cooler' overall tone than, for example, my JVC HD1.

Ron Evans · March 20th, 2006, 08:49 AM

Another couple of Pro's are top loading tape and better low light performance. I have FX1 and TRV50 and did not think that the HC1 was a reasonable second camera replacement for the TRV50 because of the lack of the two above Pro's. I will problabley get a HC3. Lack of headphone jack and mic input is not of concern to me as a second camera but as a single camera may be an issue. HC3 does have the option of using the new Bluetooth mic though that does look attractive for me.

Ron Evans

Bruno Donnet · March 20th, 2006, 09:49 AM

Steve, you cannot only compare the number of pixels, the 2 CMOS aren't based on the same technology.
The one inside the HC1 is 'classical', the one of the HC1 is a 'Clearvid' one (pixels in diagonal) and the rate of red and blue pixels on the green ones is not the same in these 2 technologies.

Have a look too here http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthrea...8440#post28440

When you write "you only need 2.1MP to capture 1080x1920 video, right?", it's false because you confuse the number of 'screen RGB pixels' and the captor pixels: for example, a LCD screen for computers, announced with a resolution of 1080x1920, hold in fact 1080x1920x3 elementary pixels (the 'x3' is to take into account the red, green, and blue elementary colored pixels).

When a camcorder hold 2.1MP on 1 captor, or it's the total of monochrome pixels in case of a 3xCCD or 3xCMOS, or its the total number of pixels whatever is the elementary color in the case of the mono-chip camera.

The HC1 and HC3 have a mono-CMOS, but, due to the different technology, the HC1 has 2 green for 1 red/1 blue pixel, and the HC3 has 6 green for 1 red/1 blue. When you compare the effective number of pixels between these 2 camcorders, you see that the HC1 has quite the same number of green pixels and 2.5 times more red and blue pixels than the HC3.
But, on the HC3, with pixels in diagonal, Sony claims to have the quite same result with its Clearvid CMOS.

In an another hand, remember that the HDV format has a 4:2:0 color scheme for which, on the paper, the weight of red and blue pixels of the HC3 are enough.

Jung Kyu · April 8th, 2006, 06:30 PM

this is hc1 footage
canopus hq codec... upsize to 1920...deinterlance and 24p film look

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/pds/canopus.avi

Alex Thames · April 8th, 2006, 06:45 PM

It's not dling for me...

However, I did see your other HC1 24p filmic color corrected footage at:
http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=4612

Could you tell us how you did that, step by step? It looks awesome.

Jung Kyu · April 9th, 2006, 03:39 AM

convert ur footage to 10bit or 16bit and color correct in avid hd pro.. change gamma curve and color correct,,,your done.

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...okHD_1080p.wmv

Alex Thames · April 9th, 2006, 05:33 PM

Did you record your original footage using the camera's own CineTone/CineGamma option? If so, did you use Type 1 or Type 2 (not sure if these options are only on the A1 or also on the HC1?).

Could you explain exactly what you did in color correction? Like, what exactly did you do to gamma change and color correct?

Evan Seccombe · April 10th, 2006, 09:59 AM

http://edu.sony.com/webapp/wcs/store...ntractId=21505

theres a link to sony's education site, and the hc1 clearly for sale at 1500. unless they just havnt updated this part of their webpages yet, it looks like u can stlil grab em direct. came across this in the midst of some major hc1/hc3 research. leaning towards hc1 right now, primarily for documentary of a month long australia trip im going on in june. anyone point me in the direction of some cheap prices for the hc1? thanks a mil.

edit, forgot to mention hc1 is also in the business area of sony's website.

Jeff DeMaagd · April 12th, 2006, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan Seccombe

came across this in the midst of some major hc1/hc3 research. leaning towards hc1 right now, primarily for documentary of a month long australia trip im going on in june.

If you expect to use it for a project for potential public presentation or sale, I suggest looking into the A1U so you can record better audio. Failing that, you can get a BeachTek XLR adapter box which are pretty nice. I know the additional cost isn't attractive but cleaner, clearer audio will help you maximize the overall presentation quality. Not only is the XLR connection electrically noise immune, you'll have the option to use higher quality mics.

For private use, it's probably not as important.

Kevin Shaw · April 13th, 2006, 09:45 AM

Is there some trick to setting an HC1 to record an incoming DV/HDV signal via firewire? I followed the instructions in the manual this morning to adjust various menu options, but the HC1 seems to be determined to send a signal out rather than record what's coming in. I ended up switching tapes with my other camera and getting the dub to work that way, but I'd still like to know how to record into the HC1.

Graham Hickling · April 13th, 2006, 01:37 PM

What are you sending the signal from?

When exporting out of Premiere 2.0 there is really no trick: you connect the cable, put the camera in paused-playback mode, and hit export to tape from within the NLE.

Kevin Shaw · April 13th, 2006, 06:55 PM

I had the HC1 connected by firewire to an FX1 set to downsample from HDV to DV for output. But no matter what I did the HC1 thought it was sending a signal out instead of receiving a signal in, so I had to use the HC1 as the player and FX1 as recorder.

Mike Tesh · April 27th, 2006, 12:18 PM

1. Can the HC1 playback tapes shot on DV or DVCAM or Canons Frame Movie mode. I've got tapes shot on all different type of cameras and modes.

2. Can the A1U's XLR mic adapter be used on the HC1 and if so where could I buy just one of these?

3. What about these first two questions applied to the HC3?

thank you

Dave F. Nelson · April 27th, 2006, 03:55 PM

>> 1. Can the HC1 playback tapes shot on DV or DVCAM or Canons Frame Movie mode. I've got tapes shot on all different type of cameras and modes. <<

The HC1 can play tapes shot in DV or HDV 1080i. The HC1 can not play DVCAM tapes although the A1U can. The HC1 (and for that matter, any other Sony Camcorder or Deck) can not play tapes recorded in Canon's 24F and 30F modes. These modes are proprietary to Canon and can only be played back on the Canon XL-H1 (and possibly other Canon HDV camcorders released in the future), just as the Canon can not play back tapes recorded in Sony's proprietary Cineframe 24 and 30 modes recorded using Sony Camcorders and Decks.

>> 2. Can the A1U's XLR mic adapter be used on the HC1 and if so where could I buy just one of these? <<

The A1U's XLR mic adaptor can not be used on the HC1. However you could purchase a Beach Box with similar capabilities. Service parts for the Sony HVR-A1U and all Sony Professional Products are available from Sony.

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...ss/index.shtml

>> 3. What about these first two questions applied to the HC3? <<

All of the above answers apply to the HC3 also. Furthermore, the HC3 has no mic inputs at all, so you could not add a Beach Box, or any external mic or line input.

I hope this helps.

--Dave

Kevin Crockett · May 4th, 2006, 01:24 PM

I'm looking for a second battery for my HC1 and was curious if anybody has used a battery other than Sony.

I saw some on Ebay and the price was definetely right but you get what you pay for.

March 20th, 2006, 09:49 AM	#93
Bruno Donnet Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Paris, France Posts: 91	Steve, you cannot only compare the number of pixels, the 2 CMOS aren't based on the same technology. The one inside the HC1 is 'classical', the one of the HC1 is a 'Clearvid' one (pixels in diagonal) and the rate of red and blue pixels on the green ones is not the same in these 2 technologies. Have a look too here http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthrea...8440#post28440 When you write "you only need 2.1MP to capture 1080x1920 video, right?", it's false because you confuse the number of 'screen RGB pixels' and the captor pixels: for example, a LCD screen for computers, announced with a resolution of 1080x1920, hold in fact 1080x1920x3 elementary pixels (the 'x3' is to take into account the red, green, and blue elementary colored pixels). When a camcorder hold 2.1MP on 1 captor, or it's the total of monochrome pixels in case of a 3xCCD or 3xCMOS, or its the total number of pixels whatever is the elementary color in the case of the mono-chip camera. The HC1 and HC3 have a mono-CMOS, but, due to the different technology, the HC1 has 2 green for 1 red/1 blue pixel, and the HC3 has 6 green for 1 red/1 blue. When you compare the effective number of pixels between these 2 camcorders, you see that the HC1 has quite the same number of green pixels and 2.5 times more red and blue pixels than the HC3. But, on the HC3, with pixels in diagonal, Sony claims to have the quite same result with its Clearvid CMOS. In an another hand, remember that the HDV format has a 4:2:0 color scheme for which, on the paper, the weight of red and blue pixels of the HC3 are enough. __________________ Bruno (alias Koala)

April 8th, 2006, 06:30 PM	#94
Jung Kyu Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 143	hc1 footage this is hc1 footage canopus hq codec... upsize to 1920...deinterlance and 24p film look http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/pds/canopus.avi

April 9th, 2006, 03:39 AM	#96
Jung Kyu Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 143	.. convert ur footage to 10bit or 16bit and color correct in avid hd pro.. change gamma curve and color correct,,,your done. http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...okHD_1080p.wmv

April 10th, 2006, 09:59 AM	#98
Evan Seccombe New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6	hc1 actually for sale via sonyeducation site? http://edu.sony.com/webapp/wcs/store...ntractId=21505 theres a link to sony's education site, and the hc1 clearly for sale at 1500. unless they just havnt updated this part of their webpages yet, it looks like u can stlil grab em direct. came across this in the midst of some major hc1/hc3 research. leaning towards hc1 right now, primarily for documentary of a month long australia trip im going on in june. anyone point me in the direction of some cheap prices for the hc1? thanks a mil. edit, forgot to mention hc1 is also in the business area of sony's website.

April 13th, 2006, 09:45 AM	#100
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	How to set HC1 for incoming dub? Is there some trick to setting an HC1 to record an incoming DV/HDV signal via firewire? I followed the instructions in the manual this morning to adjust various menu options, but the HC1 seems to be determined to send a signal out rather than record what's coming in. I ended up switching tapes with my other camera and getting the dub to work that way, but I'd still like to know how to record into the HC1.

March 20th, 2006, 08:38 AM	#91
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Extra pixels get used when the electronic steady-shot is activated. Which pixels these are is not entirely clear, to me and my small brain at least. I've had an HC1 for 2.5months now, viewing on a 48" RP HD Sony. The reds have never caught my attention as being problematic. The camera does have a 'cooler' overall tone than, for example, my JVC HD1.

March 20th, 2006, 08:49 AM	#92
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Another couple of Pro's are top loading tape and better low light performance. I have FX1 and TRV50 and did not think that the HC1 was a reasonable second camera replacement for the TRV50 because of the lack of the two above Pro's. I will problabley get a HC3. Lack of headphone jack and mic input is not of concern to me as a second camera but as a single camera may be an issue. HC3 does have the option of using the new Bluetooth mic though that does look attractive for me. Ron Evans

April 8th, 2006, 06:45 PM	#95
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	It's not dling for me... However, I did see your other HC1 24p filmic color corrected footage at: http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=4612 Could you tell us how you did that, step by step? It looks awesome.

April 9th, 2006, 05:33 PM	#97
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	Did you record your original footage using the camera's own CineTone/CineGamma option? If so, did you use Type 1 or Type 2 (not sure if these options are only on the A1 or also on the HC1?). Could you explain exactly what you did in color correction? Like, what exactly did you do to gamma change and color correct?

April 13th, 2006, 01:37 PM	#101
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	What are you sending the signal from? When exporting out of Premiere 2.0 there is really no trick: you connect the cable, put the camera in paused-playback mode, and hit export to tape from within the NLE.

April 13th, 2006, 06:55 PM	#102
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	I had the HC1 connected by firewire to an FX1 set to downsample from HDV to DV for output. But no matter what I did the HC1 thought it was sending a signal out instead of receiving a signal in, so I had to use the HC1 as the player and FX1 as recorder.

April 27th, 2006, 12:18 PM	#103
Mike Tesh Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Detroit MI Posts: 253	HC1 questions 1. Can the HC1 playback tapes shot on DV or DVCAM or Canons Frame Movie mode. I've got tapes shot on all different type of cameras and modes. 2. Can the A1U's XLR mic adapter be used on the HC1 and if so where could I buy just one of these? 3. What about these first two questions applied to the HC3? thank you __________________ ScapeFilms.com \| My Photography \| IMDB Profile

April 27th, 2006, 03:55 PM	#104
Dave F. Nelson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 129	>> 1. Can the HC1 playback tapes shot on DV or DVCAM or Canons Frame Movie mode. I've got tapes shot on all different type of cameras and modes. << The HC1 can play tapes shot in DV or HDV 1080i. The HC1 can not play DVCAM tapes although the A1U can. The HC1 (and for that matter, any other Sony Camcorder or Deck) can not play tapes recorded in Canon's 24F and 30F modes. These modes are proprietary to Canon and can only be played back on the Canon XL-H1 (and possibly other Canon HDV camcorders released in the future), just as the Canon can not play back tapes recorded in Sony's proprietary Cineframe 24 and 30 modes recorded using Sony Camcorders and Decks. >> 2. Can the A1U's XLR mic adapter be used on the HC1 and if so where could I buy just one of these? << The A1U's XLR mic adaptor can not be used on the HC1. However you could purchase a Beach Box with similar capabilities. Service parts for the Sony HVR-A1U and all Sony Professional Products are available from Sony. http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...ss/index.shtml >> 3. What about these first two questions applied to the HC3? << All of the above answers apply to the HC3 also. Furthermore, the HC3 has no mic inputs at all, so you could not add a Beach Box, or any external mic or line input. I hope this helps. --Dave

May 4th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#105
Kevin Crockett Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: FL. Posts: 71	Third Party Battery for HC1 I'm looking for a second battery for my HC1 and was curious if anybody has used a battery other than Sony. I saw some on Ebay and the price was definetely right but you get what you pay for.