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Old May 2nd, 2006, 10:32 AM   #1
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HC1 or HC3 PAL to 24p with letus35 - Help!

HC3 PAL with Letus35 flip enhanced for shooting a BW independant low budget but high quality script and post-prod film.

Im very afraid about the PAL fluo lights flickers because the HC3 dont have any shutter controls...

then now im thinking about

1- Taking ntsc and give up 4% converting to 24p

or

2- Taking a PAL HC1 with shutter control for avoid flickers. (I hope its work)


here the good and bad I see for each configuration:


- HC1 - Pal - shutter control - poor lowlight and bottom tapeload (awful cause I will be on a rod system with the 35mm adapter) - sound input - good 24p conversion

or

- HC3 - NTSC - no shutter control (no need anymore) - better lowlight - side tapeload - but bad 24p conversion...


I really hope I can get PAL HC3 with no flickers problem cause of the more sharp lowlight result. The adapter and slr lens will eat me a lot of lights... I feel I will need it!


One scene of the movie will be in a psychiatric hospital and I will not be able to avoid fluorescent lights there!

Thanks

ps: the question is: Wich system will be better for my 24p movie? Pal HC1 or Ntsc HC3...

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Old May 3rd, 2006, 08:56 AM   #2
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ok, not so much success with my post... I will simplify things;

Is theres somebody who have experience shooting PAL in america? Is the easy 24p convertion process balance the fact you have to be careful with flickering lights?
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Old May 31st, 2006, 01:58 PM   #3
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Yes, you can easily de-interlace 50i to 25p, then convert to 24p in any number of NLEs.

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Old May 31st, 2006, 03:58 PM   #4
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No shutter

...did I miss something, "HC3 has NO shutter control..." -is that true?? BOOO, HISS!

www.dvfilm.com states that the 1/50 sec shutter speed is one of the key things to set to get good conversion to 24p / deinterlacing of 50i/60i...

OK, with the bottom loader changing tapes on HC1 is going to be a pain -but you get 60mins, shallow DOF with the Letus AND 1/50 sec. I have PAL version -I think the colours are better than NTSC too...

...also don't forget a 37mm flourescent filter.


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Old May 31st, 2006, 04:58 PM   #5
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With film looks, the closer to a shutter of 1/48, the better. So 1/50 is great.

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Old May 31st, 2006, 05:49 PM   #6
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HC-3 PAL: shutter is auto or manual mode. on manual mode it is fixed to 50. I found sometimes a shutter of 100 when switched to manual - it seems the cam sometimes fixes the current auto - shutter when switched to manual. so you should darken the image before switch to get 50.
Unfortunately the values are not shown while recording, only on playback.
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not so bad! thanks for all the reply!

is playback include an real-time output to dvrack on a laptop?! (dont think so)

are you happy overall with that small camera? price just go down here in canada! yepiiiiie!
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fluorescent filter? for what? its only make the color warmer no?
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I think he ment fluroescent light that are typical for hospital. I think they flickers 50 or 60 times per times depending on the electric system.

The HC3 haven't got a mic-input and I doubt that sound will be any good for a movie. My HC1 built in mic isn't the greatest.

Changing a tape is quite easy and if you swap at lunchtime it will be cool. If you shoot 2 hours per day you are probably shooting too much. I still remember when I shot 5 tapes for a 10 minute shot. The time editing and throwing out the trashy scenes probably took longer time than shooting them.
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And I forgot... I would go for HC1 but seriously consider the A1. Alternatively try to find someone who has an even better camera that can be cameraman.
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