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Old November 16th, 2007, 10:34 AM   #1
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Is this a misprint from B&H

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...efinition.html

In the specifiaction page it lists 24p???? It is either a misprint or Sony has changed the spec at the last miunute and moved the launch to December.

"Shutter Speed Range 60i: 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60, 1/90, 1/100, 1/125, 1/180, 1/250, 1/350, 1/500, 1/725, 1/1000, 1/1500, 1/2000, 1/3000, 1/4000, 1/6000, 1/10000

24p: 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24, 1/40, 1/48, 1/50, 1/60, 1/96, 1/100, 1/120, 1/144, 1/192, 1/200, 1/288, 1/400, 1/576, 1/1200, 1/2400, 1/4800, 1/10000 sec "
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Old November 16th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #2
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Let us hope so.
Wouldn't this be a nice 35mm adapter-camera?
Let's just hope it has manual controls!
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Old November 17th, 2007, 01:28 PM   #3
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That is strange.

I don't know if they can actually get genuine 24p off of an interlace chip can they?
I know we saw this discussed non-stop when Canon delivered 24F from the interlaced chips in their H1, A1, and G1.
Perhaps Sony might have followed a similar process here.

Or...it is quite simply a teasing typo.

Eh, even though I'm not in the market for this camcorder anyway, I think Sony should implement 24p if they can.
The HV20 has triumphantly proven that it's not an option reserved soley for professional use. Considering the HD1000 presents more of a professional appearance than the HV20, the least they could do is offer that feature to ensure professional results.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 01:33 PM   #4
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I don't know if they can actually get genuine 24p off of an interlace chip can they?
CMOS is natively progressive... so yes they can.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 01:43 PM   #5
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CMOS is natively progressive... so yes they can.
Ah, thanks Chris.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:13 PM   #6
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That is strange.

I don't know if they can actually get genuine 24p off of an interlace chip can they?
If it does indeed have 24p it will be in a 60i stream because it is going to HDV tape. But like Chris stated the CMOS is a progressive chip, so all they have to do is a pull down flags to 24p. So, if you want to edit 24p framerate you'll have to extract from 60i.

We'll see if it ends up being a typo or not. To be fair i haven't seen anything official from Sony claiming 24p for this particular camera.

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Old November 18th, 2007, 06:25 AM   #7
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The camera is now listed at Sonybiz.net and there is no mentioning about 24/25P



http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Show...=HDVCamcorders
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Old November 18th, 2007, 12:19 PM   #8
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The camera is now listed at Sonybiz.net and there is no mentioning about 24/25P
The only shutter-speed range listed is for 60i. Much as I hate to say it, unless Sony has snuck in 24p at the last minute, B&H's listing for the HD1000U is in error. But even if not, because the camera's intended for the wedding-videographer rather than the extreme-sports doumentary market, whip pans, nauseating handheld work, and and other extreme camera movement were probably envisioned as the exception for this camera rather than the rule. I doubt, therefore, that much work was done to counteract the CMOS wobble effect. Also, if there is 24p, there are probably no pulldown flags. If it's there, 24p was added to impart a film-look lushness to event -- particularly wedding -- videos. Still, a $1,600 shoulder-mount camera with 24p would be interesting, even with the necessary workarounds.
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Old November 18th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #9
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If it does indeed have 24p it will be in a 60i stream because it is going to HDV tape.
And there you have the definition of 24 Progressive Segmented Frame or, 24PsF.

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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #10
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Actually 24PsF as used in the f900 is in a 48i stream and that's strictly for monitoring...

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The only shutter-speed range listed is for 60i. Much as I hate to say it, unless Sony has snuck in 24p at the last minute, B&H's listing for the HD1000U is in error.
I've asked our pro-video sales manager to check and if our specs are incorrect we will fix them. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Thanks for looking into this, Henry -- much appreciated as always,
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Actually 24PsF as used in the f900 is in a 48i stream and that's strictly for monitoring...
Okay, I wasn't clear. It doesn't require a '60i' stream. It's a progressively captured image broken apart into two fields (with no motion lag) to be carried in an interlaced signal chain and storage medium.

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