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Old January 5th, 2009, 01:28 PM   #1
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FX-7 for dance recitals

I shoot a couple of dance recitals every year, currently with a DVC-80. Although I'm not delivering HD, I have been thinking about shooting HD. I have experience with the Z1u and was wondering if anybody has used the FX-7 for stage events. Things like a dance recital or Nutcracker ballet performance. Any input would be appreciated.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 02:43 PM   #2
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I use two FX7s paired with two FX1s for stage shows. The FX7s perform outstandingly if there's enough light. Very clear, sharp, crisp images -- sharper than the FX1 by a wide margin -- and the colors pop. Just don't expect to shoot in zero light. Gain up to 9db almost invisible in terms of grain.

Just lock them on indoor white balance, activate SPOTLIGHT and perhaps CINEMATONE GAMMA, and shoot away on full Auto.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #3
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Thanks for the quick reply. I'm thinking about upgrading and I like the price point of the FX-7's. I'm also interested in the Panny 150's but they are out of my price range, with the return on they type of extra work that I do.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 09:46 AM   #4
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I have shot a lot of dance with the FX-7. Excellent camera--VERY under-appreciated IMHO!

My one recommendation is to use manual exposure instead of Auto--I do this with indoor WB, but not the spotlight function. Cinema Gamma crushes the blacks too much, you loose too much detail. Use the zebras @100% and the histogram to make sure your exposure is good.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 04:45 PM   #5
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Robert,

I just got my FX7 in November.

Do you recommend turning the enhanced contrast off in low light? I seems to also crush the blacks.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 03:58 AM   #6
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Iím not Robert, but I can answer your question too.

I think that the widespread judgment of CINEMATONE Gamma as a setting crushing the picture blacks too much is ... a little bit exaggerated.

Just look please at these two attached screenshots; the left one was made in the standard video mode, and the right one was captured when CINEMATONE Gamma plus SPOTLIGHT were activated (in such mode the function of enhanced contrast is unable).
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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:36 AM   #7
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I will stick with my feeling that cinema gamma is best left off. I am comfortable with Final Cut's 3-way color corrector, and I will adjust blacks/midtones/highlights there in post--trying to get as much info on tape initially to work with. If the blacks are crushed before hand you can never get that data back.

I do leave the contrast enhancer function on--it is supposed to protect the highlights from blowing out, but I have to be honest that I haven't checked that myself.

I still advocate setting your exposure manually--theatrical spotlights etc. can make your auto exposure function do too much intrashot adjusting.

My 2 cents.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 11:51 AM   #8
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Good information. Currently I shoot with a DVC-80. I prefer to run my exposure manually and do a white balance at center stage with full stage lights. If I can't get the white balance, then I use the indoor setting on my GL-1 but the 80 doesn't have a way to lock it into the indoor. Of the 2 pictures I think the one on the right looks better.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #9
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Superficially the one on the right will grab your eye--it has the greatest dynamic range, with the blacks crushed.

The problem is when you use the cinema gamma on scenes that are darker you may have a lot of picture information in the crushed black portion of the curve that is gone forever. It is in bright scenes where you have a lot going on in the brighter areas that the crushed black works. In darker scenes you have to stretch out all of the picture info in the dark areas to create more image.

So, I would rather leave myself the option to crush the blacks in post!
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Old January 7th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #10
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So, I would rather leave myself the option to crush the blacks in post!
agree completely! you can't get back what's not there, but if it's there in the first place you can manipulate it to whatever you want (or it will take ;-))

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