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Pro and consumer versions of this Sony 3-CMOS HDV camcorder.


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Old September 7th, 2006, 12:15 PM   #31
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Sony offers the cleanest image, esp. with gain.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 12:32 PM   #32
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BTW: the equivalent replacement for the Z1 - is the V1 (SonyBiz link).
Is this only going to be released in Europe? Is there any more information on this one?

Edit - NEver mind - found the info.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 01:31 PM   #33
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Sony offers the cleanest image, esp. with gain.

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Maybe on their cameras with CCDs, but certainly not CMOS - the HC1/A1 absolutely fall apart at more than 3-6db. The HC3 seems a little better, but I still don't think it compares to an equivalent CCD. I'm assuming part of the reason for going with the lower res CMOS (versus the one used in the HC1/A1) is because it will allow for greater sensitivity with less gain in low light situations.
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Old September 7th, 2006, 01:39 PM   #34
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1 CCD falls apart, too, but 3 CDDs are great. So I'm guessing 3 CMOS will be great for low light, too.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 05:08 PM   #35
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Well I've got news for Sony: if the lowlight ability is as bad as it sounds, targeting event videographers was a HUGE miscalculation. One of the biggest reasons the PD and VX lines were successes was their industry-leading lowlight abilities, essential for wedding and event videographers. To take a step back is a remarkably bad idea.

Looks to me like everyone will be going with the Canon line, or sticking with the FX1 and Z1. Very disappointing.
Sony probably found a way to use CMOS to make clean gain that puts it into vx2100 range.
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Old September 7th, 2006, 05:52 PM   #36
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Old September 7th, 2006, 06:32 PM   #37
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Sony probably found a way to use CMOS to make clean gain that puts it into vx2100 range.
You may be right, the gain on the FX1 is quite good, maybe it's even better with these new cams. I sure hope so, I'd love to stay with Sony. The PD/VX series has been fantastic.
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We could expect an AVCHD cam coming soon with a 3CMOS and 1920x1080... and possibly true progressive and 1080p60

(sorry if this is a wishlist.)
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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #39
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Wow, seems to me Sony missed the mark on this one. Who's gonna buy it? The feature set is not attractive to the semi-pros; it's too expensive for the casual enthusiast. 1/4" CCDs. Non-native 16:9 chips? Why would they do that on a 16:9 format like HDV? MSRP $3500 (but it has to street for under $2800 or else people will just buy the FX1).

Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:31 PM   #40
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AVC, to Sony, is consumer-only.

HDV is tape-based only (with some exceptions, like FireStore and Sony's new digital capture device).

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We could expect an AVCHD cam coming soon with a 3CMOS and 1920x1080... and possibly true progressive and 1080p60

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You are starting to sound like me except that you forgot to say that it will have a blu-ray drive.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 06:56 PM   #42
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AVC, to Sony, is consumer-only.

HDV is tape-based only (with some exceptions, like FireStore and Sony's new digital capture device).

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OK, I've hearby corrected myself... what about AVCPRO HD? (applies to Pany as well.)
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Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra.
So far it's not clear whether Panasonic will have the sense to use standard, affordable memory cards with AVCHD. If they do that's great; if not we'll continue to be stuck with various less than ideal choices. Sony needs to get a Blu-ray version of AVCHD to market asap.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 09:40 PM   #44
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So far it's not clear whether Panasonic will have the sense to use standard, affordable memory cards with AVCHD.
They've announced they're going to use regular SD cards.

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Sony needs to get a Blu-ray version of AVCHD to market asap.
Both companies stated that as their goal (a mini-blu-ray recording medium).
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They've announced they're going to use regular SD cards.
Really? That's excellent news. Is that documented anywhere yet I can reference on the internet?
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