Sony HDR-FX7 is out!!

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2006, 11:15 AM

Sony offers the cleanest image, esp. with gain.

heath

Dave Lammey · September 7th, 2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Mayer

BTW: the equivalent replacement for the Z1 - is the V1 (SonyBiz link).

Is this only going to be released in Europe? Is there any more information on this one?

Edit - NEver mind - found the info.

Evan Donn · September 7th, 2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

Sony offers the cleanest image, esp. with gain.

heath

Maybe on their cameras with CCDs, but certainly not CMOS - the HC1/A1 absolutely fall apart at more than 3-6db. The HC3 seems a little better, but I still don't think it compares to an equivalent CCD. I'm assuming part of the reason for going with the lower res CMOS (versus the one used in the HC1/A1) is because it will allow for greater sensitivity with less gain in low light situations.

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2006, 12:39 PM

1 CCD falls apart, too, but 3 CDDs are great. So I'm guessing 3 CMOS will be great for low light, too.

heath

Evan C. King · September 7th, 2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lammey

Well I've got news for Sony: if the lowlight ability is as bad as it sounds, targeting event videographers was a HUGE miscalculation. One of the biggest reasons the PD and VX lines were successes was their industry-leading lowlight abilities, essential for wedding and event videographers. To take a step back is a remarkably bad idea.

Looks to me like everyone will be going with the Canon line, or sticking with the FX1 and Z1. Very disappointing.

Sony probably found a way to use CMOS to make clean gain that puts it into vx2100 range.

Roman Oulko · September 7th, 2006, 04:52 PM

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...ro+camera.html

here is more pics

Dave Lammey · September 7th, 2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan C. King

Sony probably found a way to use CMOS to make clean gain that puts it into vx2100 range.

You may be right, the gain on the FX1 is quite good, maybe it's even better with these new cams. I sure hope so, I'd love to stay with Sony. The PD/VX series has been fantastic.

Jack Zhang · September 7th, 2006, 08:49 PM

We could expect an AVCHD cam coming soon with a 3CMOS and 1920x1080... and possibly true progressive and 1080p60

(sorry if this is a wishlist.)

Eric Gan · September 7th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Wow, seems to me Sony missed the mark on this one. Who's gonna buy it? The feature set is not attractive to the semi-pros; it's too expensive for the casual enthusiast. 1/4" CCDs. Non-native 16:9 chips? Why would they do that on a 16:9 format like HDV? MSRP $3500 (but it has to street for under $2800 or else people will just buy the FX1).

Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra.

Link to more info:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...CMOS-Chips.htm

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2006, 09:31 PM

AVC, to Sony, is consumer-only.

HDV is tape-based only (with some exceptions, like FireStore and Sony's new digital capture device).

heath

Paulo Teixeira · September 7th, 2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

We could expect an AVCHD cam coming soon with a 3CMOS and 1920x1080... and possibly true progressive and 1080p60

(sorry if this is a wishlist.)

You are starting to sound like me except that you forgot to say that it will have a blu-ray drive.

Jack Zhang · September 8th, 2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

AVC, to Sony, is consumer-only.

HDV is tape-based only (with some exceptions, like FireStore and Sony's new digital capture device).

heath

OK, I've hearby corrected myself... what about AVCPRO HD? (applies to Pany as well.)

Kevin Shaw · September 8th, 2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Gan

Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra.

So far it's not clear whether Panasonic will have the sense to use standard, affordable memory cards with AVCHD. If they do that's great; if not we'll continue to be stuck with various less than ideal choices. Sony needs to get a Blu-ray version of AVCHD to market asap.

Barry Green · September 8th, 2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

So far it's not clear whether Panasonic will have the sense to use standard, affordable memory cards with AVCHD.

They've announced they're going to use regular SD cards.

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Sony needs to get a Blu-ray version of AVCHD to market asap.

Both companies stated that as their goal (a mini-blu-ray recording medium).

Kevin Shaw · September 8th, 2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

They've announced they're going to use regular SD cards.

Really? That's excellent news. Is that documented anywhere yet I can reference on the internet?

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Roman Oulko Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Valencia CA Posts: 38	http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...ro+camera.html here is more pics

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Eric Gan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 187	Wow, seems to me Sony missed the mark on this one. Who's gonna buy it? The feature set is not attractive to the semi-pros; it's too expensive for the casual enthusiast. 1/4" CCDs. Non-native 16:9 chips? Why would they do that on a 16:9 format like HDV? MSRP $3500 (but it has to street for under $2800 or else people will just buy the FX1). Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra. Link to more info: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...CMOS-Chips.htm