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Old September 22nd, 2006, 03:35 PM   #1
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On the Sony V1 page, in the intro it says shoot in progessive and then edit using standard HDV equipment. What does that mean? When you shoot 24p progessive can you edit it with iMovie?. Final Cut Express?

Do you need Final Cut Pro to edit with this camera?
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 10:22 PM   #2
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On the Sony site it says it shoots 24p but is recorded to tape as 60i (sort of a reverse pulldown as I understand) so you can edit it. However, it also said that several NLEs were working on capturing back to 24p and it would edit in that. They have a whole workflow laid out on their site.
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 10:42 PM   #3
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so at some point you will be able to shoot 24p capture in 24p and edit in 24p? When the new FCP come out?
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 01:51 AM   #4
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On the Sony V1 page, in the intro it says shoot in progessive and then edit using standard HDV equipment. What does that mean? When you shoot 24p progessive can you edit it with iMovie?. Final Cut Express?

Do you need Final Cut Pro to edit with this camera?
They are correct -- you can edit Sony 24p in any 60i equipment -- that's the nature of pulldown. It can, but need not be, removed.
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so at some point you will be able to shoot 24p capture in 24p and edit in 24p? When the new FCP come out?
You don't *need* to remove the pulldown, but virtually everyone *wants* to remove the pulldown. You can edit the 60i in FCP now, but Apple will have pulldown removal out soon, or so they say.
24p footage edits best as 24p footage, and 24p put to DVD as 24p allows for up to 25% more efficient storage, meaning you can have a higher bitrate for the same length movie as you would be able to enjoy in a 60i output. If the DVD player can't play out the 24p media as 24p, it inserts the pulldown at the player, just like a standard Hollywood release.
In another thread in this same category, Barry Green enumerates the many reasons why you'd *prefer* editing 24p footage as 24p, even though it's quite convenient to transport it as 60i.
All that said, I'm not a huge proponent of 24p; I'd submit that 24p cadence is responsible for far more crummy-looking films have been made due to lack of understanding of shooting 24p than video projects that have used 60i as their acquisition format. Well shot 24p is great for a lot of projects, including features, but it's not always the best format for high motion.
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 06:14 AM   #6
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What is best and why, Douglas? Frankly, I am surprised how well 60i renders to 24p out of Vegas. I'd take a short answer. I already bought the new book but all this is changing so fast. Also, I can't locate the Barry Green post. The name heading it must have changed.
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 07:55 AM   #7
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I think Spot is talking about Barry's post in the 'sony unveils new 24p HDV camcorder' number 86
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 07:57 AM   #8
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You don't *need* to remove the pulldown, but virtually everyone *wants* to remove the pulldown. You can edit the 60i in FCP now, but Apple will have pulldown removal out soon, or so they say.
24p footage edits best as 24p footage, and 24p put to DVD as 24p allows for up to 25% more efficient storage, meaning you can have a higher bitrate for the same length movie as you would be able to enjoy in a 60i output. If the DVD player can't play out the 24p media as 24p, it inserts the pulldown at the player, just like a standard Hollywood release.
In another thread in this same category, Barry Green enumerates the many reasons why you'd *prefer* editing 24p footage as 24p, even though it's quite convenient to transport it as 60i.
All that said, I'm not a huge proponent of 24p; I'd submit that 24p cadence is responsible for far more crummy-looking films have been made due to lack of understanding of shooting 24p than video projects that have used 60i as their acquisition format. Well shot 24p is great for a lot of projects, including features, but it's not always the best format for high motion.
thanks. But it was smart to put 24p on the V1.
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 09:26 AM   #9
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but can you record in 24p then edit in a 60i timeline in something like final cut express HD? Or does it have to be FCP?
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Any editing application will work great with the 60i. Even FCP Express, iMovie, whatever you want. Sony Vegas, IMO, manages 24p better than anything there is, and also does the most respectable conversion to 24p than any NLE I've ever seen. There are some specialty softwares that do a good conversion as well.
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Old September 24th, 2006, 01:59 AM   #11
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Will there be an update for those of us with G5 Final Cut Pros? Or is my 9 month old computer already out of date?
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Since FCP is now universal the updates count for both ppc and intel machines. No need to worry. The update is free through software update and should be up in a month.
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How long are any of us "in date" now?
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Why Jerry... you're a philosopher...

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What about Cineform? They have been able to pull out the 24p from Cineframe24 for a long time now. As far as I know Cineframe24 uses the same type of pulldown sitting inside of a 60i stream.

I can see no reason why Premiere Pro users who use Cineform wouldn't be able to handle the 24p footage right away or at least with a small update which should come very fast.
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