Suprised at Sony

[Heath McKnight]

While I took yesterday off from my film, some of the crew went out and shot some very, very cool stuff with the V1. As soon as I get the okay, I'll post some stuff up!

heath

[Peter Ferling]

Heath, it's been about an hour, did you get the ok yet? (Kidding). I'd love to see the results when you do.

[Heath McKnight]

Sure. It looks cool. Jon's a great DP.

heath

[Steve Mullen]

Originally Posted by Floris van Eck

Steve, you really like the V1 judging from your posts. Did you already hear from Sony if you are allowed to post some footage?

I only captured some of what I shot -- I ran out of time with the V1. From what I captured I'll pull shots for next Monday's HDV@Work Newsletter. This issue will reveal the "Secrets of 3ClearVid." :)


I also will be pulling shots for a series in Camcorderinfo.com.

And, I need to work more with 24p in EDIUS. If it will add pulldown, I promise I will post that. It looks good playing on my laptop!

In short I'm crazy busy and I leave for Asia in about 3 weeks. Must finish an HDV to PAL DVD project before I leave.

[Ray Bell]

OK, now that we see the FX7 is in stock at B&H and for delivery....

can the testers now release some of the video they took with the V1/FX7 ???

surely the NDR is up now???

Again, I'm a bit suprised at Sony... The FX7 showed up at the exact time that the Canon Cam showed up in stores... but there's plenty of footage showing the capabilities of the Canon.

I did see an internet ad from Sony the other day, " fill in this questionaire " and
get a free V1 DVD... problem was the links wouldn't work for me... :-(

sure would like to see some of the test footage shot with the V1 posted...

thanx

[Douglas Spotted Eagle]

The V1 is not the same as the FX7. I've never held the FX7, so have nothing to post from that particular camcorder.
I've posted a lot of V1 footage, but in the process of branding it so it doesn't find its way all over the web with others crediting themselves for the footage (which happened with the Z1/A1 footage we posted) it damages the quality of the file and we only hear whining. So...you'll have to wait until the V1 starts shipping, I suppose.

[Ray Bell]

Thanx Douglas for being one of the few to post some footage with the V1...

But, we need to see more, low light, high light, inbetween shots....

Sony should have this demo footage on the web site by now... nothin, nada...

The mini site isn't even complete yet...

I guess Sony isn't concerned with the competition... Canon...

[Steve Mullen]

Originally Posted by Ray Bell

Thanx Douglas for being one of the few to post some footage with the V1...

But, we need to see more, low light, high light, inbetween shots....

Sony should have this demo footage on the web site by now... nothin, nada...

The mini site isn't even complete yet...

I guess Sony isn't concerned with the competition... Canon...

Sony never worries about the competition. They will sell more V1 than they can produce. Moreover, the V1 doesn't go on sale until sometime in December.

I have V1 footage, but I see no reason to post anything but .m2t and that's not a practical thing to do. As DSE said, there's a whole heap of issues so it's simply not worth doing.

It's not like you can buy a V1 -- so why worry about it now?

[Floris van Eck]

I do not agree with that. On the Canon XH-A1 board, Kaku Ito posted around 25 .m2t files. So yes, it is possible. And when you post native files, what people see is what people get. It is as simple as that.

Sony obviously does not want footage to be released at this stage.

[Douglas Spotted Eagle]

Yes, KAKU ITO, not Canon, released about 25 clips. The problem is, when both the A1 and Z1 clips of pretty decent stuff were released by various folks, everyone bitched and moaned because they weren't the clips that folks wanted. Sony isn't preventing clips from being released; at this point I've got at least 30 hours of V1 footage in various scenarios.
1. I don't have the time to cull, brand, and upload.
2. It's no fun to go through the hassle of culling, branding, and uploading only to hear bitching and moaning about how it's not this, that, or the other thing.
Others and myself uploaded footage from the A1 in dark areas, light areas, high details, etc, and got comments of "oh, that's not dark enough, that's not bright enough to see how the latitude is, and snake skins aren't that detailed."

If Sony wants to pay me for my time to upload footage, then I'd happily do so. It takes a while on a DSL connection to upload a gig of file information, it costs money to host it, and it's frustrating to hear the whining.

It takes time to shoot, capture, compare, choose, brand, and upload for what? The undying whine of the people that aren't happy because you didn't shoot what they wanted to see, or disputing what you actually shot. Simon uploaded shots, got bitched at and argued with. I did the same, and got the same. Where is the incentive?

If I sound a bit bitter, it's likely because I am. After having uploaded footage from 5 different cams in the past 3 years...I think I've gotten perhaps 2-3 "thank you's" and easily 50-60 gripes.

[Tony Tremble]

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Where is the incentive?

If I sound a bit bitter, it's likely because I am. After having uploaded footage from 5 different cams in the past 3 years...I think I've gotten perhaps 2-3 "thank you's" and easily 50-60 gripes.

It's a shame it has become a thankless task uploading clips from new cams. I am sure the treatment that was handed down to Simon also prevented him uploading any of the clips he had. I mean why bother.

The internet is no different to the "real world" where the thoughtless minority **** it up for the rest of us.

[Chris Hurd]

Originally Posted by Tony Tremble

The internet is no different to the "real world" where the thoughtless minority **** it up for the rest of us.

We're trying hard to change that here at DV Info Net. It's been difficult given our explosive growth, but we're trying.

[Bill Pryor]

You need to put up a slogan: DVInfo.net...Changing the World One Whiner at a Time :)

[Michael Liebergot]

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

The V1 is not the same as the FX7. I've never held the FX7, so have nothing to post from that particular camcorder.
I've posted a lot of V1 footage, but in the process of branding it so it doesn't find its way all over the web with others crediting themselves for the footage (which happened with the Z1/A1 footage we posted) it damages the quality of the file and we only hear whining. So...you'll have to wait until the V1 starts shipping, I suppose.

Spot, although the FX7 doesn' have the obvious things that the V1 has (Black stretch, balanced XLR audio, progressive filming).
From what I have been able to gather, doesn't the FX7 share the same CMOS optics.
So the visual quality of the 2 cameras (when not shooting progressive) would be the same? So video shot in low light and heavily backlit situations should be identicle (again I am stating, not progressive video but interlaced).

[Douglas Spotted Eagle]

Originally Posted by Michael Liebergot

Spot, although the FX7 doesn' have the obvious things that the V1 has (Black stretch, balanced XLR audio, progressive filming).
From what I have been able to gather, doesn't the FX7 share the same CMOS optics.
So the visual quality of the 2 cameras (when not shooting progressive) would be the same? So video shot in low light and heavily backlit situations should be identicle (again I am stating, not progressive video but interlaced).

effectively, yup. The V1 has more "grown up" DSP, but all things set to null, they'd be identical.
So, since FX7's are now on the shelf at B&H, we'll start seeing some real-world comments on it, and probably see some clips uploaded from camera owners.