V1E clips
I had my V1E updated last week and I took also some test clips with the fixed unit:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/cosmical/Clip002.m2t http://koti.mbnet.fi/cosmical/Clip006.m2t http://koti.mbnet.fi/cosmical/Clip008.m2t http://koti.mbnet.fi/cosmical/Clip009.m2t All progressive except Clip008 is i. All are direct captures from V1E. There is also a comparison clip showing the new and old i and p mode (after SW update), the "old" version being shot in lower light than "new" (not directly comparable conditions unfortunately). This is edited in PremierePro2: http://koti.mbnet.fi/cosmical/sony_hrv-v1e-test.mpeg These played really well on my Full-HD TV when played directly from the Cam using HDMI. I am quite happy with the fix. I'll still try to burn this to a DVD disk and test on my HD-DVD player (if a manage to do this by a standard DVD burner, any hints how this could be done?). |
Timo, burning a HD DVD structure onto a regular DVD - unlike the Blu-Ray - is quite simple, actually. I know at least two products (Ulead DVD MovieFactory since version 5plus, and Ulead VideoStudio 10plus), where you can "burn" a HD DVD to your HDD folders, and then copy them onto a regular DVD as data.
You say your fixed V1E can play directly through HDMI without line twitter; can you tell us which sharpness setting you used for 25PsF? |
V1 Clips
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Thanks for posting the clips. I'm sitting on the V1/CanonA1 fence and this is very helpful - I was amazed at the clarity. I noticed a slight shaking in the clips - is the camera do this? Thanks, ChrisG |
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Thanks, I have some older Ulead VideoStudio version, which does yet not support this. Need to study if I have someething else that might work (I have at least PremierePro2, Vegas7 plus some older stuff). I shot the clips using auto mode, i.e. sharpness was set to default (is it 7?). I noticed the ND2 was swithed on. Btw. the TV set and HD-DVD player is Toshiba (37WL67 and HD-E1). |
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In the meantime, try the following: create a "HVDVD_TS" folder under the root of your regular DVD, and copy your video file rendered into MPEG-2 format (under the name of "xxx.mpg"). Please let us know if, and how it playes back on your HD DVD player! |
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I'll try to make this HD-DVD test with the same material next week when I am back from my winter vacation. :) |
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I really could not see big difference between the shots whether shown directly from the Cam or from the DVD player (both using HDMI) , really nice quality compared to standard DVD. Maybe the DVD quality was slightly lower (due to this NTSC conversion), and the difference between the shots taken with sharpness 3,5,7,9 was maybe not as big as in when watching directly from the cam. I would need to have 2 TV sets side by side to tell whether there really was a difference. |
Timo, I get it the line twitter was still there when you played your clips from the HD-DVD htrough HDMI, right?
Also, did you try the Sony's recommended sharpness setting at 3 (or even below)? Is the twitter on fine, horizontal, contrasty edges completely gone? The reason I'm asking is it is *NOT* gone with my unit here... |
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From your description I guess we're not talking the same thing. Twitter is basically not the noise; it is sort of line alternation of uneven, but generally low frequency, which can be best visible with fine, bright, horizontal lines.
In my unit, it is always visible when the 25PsF video is deinterlaced, and vanishes completely when it's played back with a software player on a progressive monitor, with deinterlacing off. It is stronger with high sharpness settings, but doesn't go away even at 3 or below! It's very important for me to establish whether my unit differs in this respect to all the other, fixed V1Es. If so, I'll ask my dealer for replacement (my unit is a demo one, anyway). |
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Maybe the word "noise" was too inaccurate, I can see increased jitter in thin horisontal lines and also on some fine details (like bushes, where it looks a little bit like dancing noise since there is a lot of those moving details). |
Timo, the best way to recreate the twitter in the captured raw 25PsF files is to play them back in the VLC player with deinterlace=bob. I did just that with your clips, and yes I think it is there. I can't be 100% sure because of the whole picture rattling; also there are no horizontal fine lines where the twitter is most manifested. Which sharpness setting do clips 2, 6 and 9 have?
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