SONY HDV HDR-FX1 will be out Oct. 15th

Jean-Philippe Archibald · September 7th, 2004, 07:19 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy :
Anyone have any idea what the "pro" version will have? This HDV camera seems to have quite a bit for the money. I just read that the "pro" version will have XLR connections, but that can't justify $3,000?? My guess is "Optical" disc harddrive on-board or some other major thing that this camera doesn't have on it.

Any else have a guess? I'm really curious as to what the "pro" will have...someone has to know??

Murph -->>>
XLR connectors, switshable from 1080i to 720p, 24fps recording mode?

Christopher C. Murphy · September 7th, 2004, 07:26 AM

XLR connectors....they better or I will be P.O'ed!

I'd like to see optical disc support with higher than 25mb per second. Maybe they'll have 50 or 100mb on a removeable disc and it records up to 3 hours like full-size DVCAM? If they do that it'll probably be the best video camera ever built for the money.

Murph

Masahiro Kikuchi · September 7th, 2004, 07:45 AM

Murph,
I've seen Sony's prototype of HD XDCAM.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20040527/nhk40.jpg

It's 50Mbps/MPEG2, 45min for a 23GB single layer disc.

Daymon Hoffman · September 7th, 2004, 07:46 AM

oh my gosh. how exciting :D. come on Canon get your arse into gear now lads!! ;)

Christopher C. Murphy · September 7th, 2004, 08:05 AM

Masahiro,

Is that way over $7,000? If so, it's probably not in my budget range. Do you have any other info about it?

Murph

Boyd Ostroff · September 7th, 2004, 08:14 AM

There are some in-depth articles about this new camera over at camcorderinfo.net. They say a pro version is expected March 2004 for around $7,000 but no further details.

But this "consumer" version looks mighty nice! Hell, I already have a Beachtek box from my VX-2000 :-) I think there are some really great features here that have nothing to do with HDV and should be included on the PD-170. I really like the quantity and design of the manual controls for focus, zoom, iris, gain, audio. FINALLY a servo lens with calibrated zoom and focus stops! And a native 16:9 250,000 pixel LCD. That's a big improvement over letterboxing 16:9 on a 200,000 pixel screen.

It also shoots 16:9 and 4:3 DV. Of course we'll have to see how it performs and give them some time to shake out all the bugs. But it sure looks like a winner to my eyes.

Sean Woods · September 7th, 2004, 08:59 AM

I noticed there is a psuedo 24p mode with the mention of CineFrame24.

I'm willing to bet that with the $3000 jump to the pro model, Sony will include true progressive 24 and 30p modes. What else would warrent that much of an increase?

Boyd Ostroff · September 7th, 2004, 09:36 AM

Who knows? Maybe it's a shoulder mount design, as the DSR-250 is to the PD-150?... I'm sure all this will be revealed before too long.

Michael Struthers · September 7th, 2004, 09:43 AM

3k is a huge price jump for the pro model, I mean 24p is a software fix...xlr is a couple hundred bucks...

I think we are talking some kind of harddrive capture mechanism.

Chris Hurd · September 7th, 2004, 10:01 AM

I'd like to believe that, Michael, but if it has a hard drive then it's no longer "HDV." It becomes only "HDV compatible." The legal policies of the HDV consortium have mandated that a product can have the HDV logo only if it uses an HDV cassette.

From http://www.hdv-info.org/trademk.htm:

"(2) License of HDV trademarks

HDV and HDV logo will be licensed only to the tape drive products which can record and play video cassette compliant to the HDV Format (HDV Tapes). The HDV trademarks may not be used on any products without a such tape drive."

Go figure.

Pete Bauer · September 7th, 2004, 10:49 AM

Damon,

Agree with you on Canon needing to get their rear in gear...

I've been patiently waiting and waiting -- like everyone else -- for HDV but figured it might be a while yet since Canon released the XL2 as an SD camera, albeit the penultimate SD cam. (This is where I begin softly sobbing). So, why oh why did Sony wait to announce their HDV 3-chipper until the week AFTER Canon released the XL2?

Ah, well. It's just money!

Jesse Bekas · September 7th, 2004, 11:26 AM

I'd really like to see what Panny comes out with and how soon it will be realeased. Canon could probably stand by the XL2, but might have to drop the price a little (who am I kidding, you guys wanna start a pool on how long before the XL2S?). HD with 24p will likely kill off the DVX100, and if they relaese their HD model with a P2 recording system it definitely won't be HDV, like Chris said. Maybe that's why they didn't accept the format? These are great times (thank god I haven't bought a cam in awhile)!

PS - I don't know if I missed it, so is this cam capable of SD recording? I think that will still be a valuable feature for quite some time.

Ed Hill · September 7th, 2004, 11:40 AM

FRom http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5118

"And for ultimate control, the iris, gain, white balance, shutter speed and focus can also be adjusted manually. "

why can't JVC do this on their HDV cameras?

Jesse Bekas · September 7th, 2004, 11:43 AM

Something else I noticed that's funny...In one of Sony's press releases...

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...409/04-0907bE/

...they mention all the editing systems to support their new cam...EXCEPT their own Sony Vegas? I though Vegas 5 already supported HDV? Why wouldn't it be on their list?

Boyd Ostroff · September 7th, 2004, 02:25 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jesse Bekas : PS - I don't know if I missed it, so is this cam capable of SD recording? I think that will still be a valuable feature for quite some time. -->>>

Yes, it shoots both 4:3 and 16:9 SD and records DVSP and DVLP.

September 7th, 2004, 07:19 AM	#16
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Re: What will "pro" version have?? <<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy : Anyone have any idea what the "pro" version will have? This HDV camera seems to have quite a bit for the money. I just read that the "pro" version will have XLR connections, but that can't justify $3,000?? My guess is "Optical" disc harddrive on-board or some other major thing that this camera doesn't have on it. Any else have a guess? I'm really curious as to what the "pro" will have...someone has to know?? Murph -->>> XLR connectors, switshable from 1080i to 720p, 24fps recording mode? __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

September 7th, 2004, 07:26 AM	#17
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	XLR connectors....they better or I will be P.O'ed! I'd like to see optical disc support with higher than 25mb per second. Maybe they'll have 50 or 100mb on a removeable disc and it records up to 3 hours like full-size DVCAM? If they do that it'll probably be the best video camera ever built for the money. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

September 7th, 2004, 07:46 AM	#19
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	oh my gosh. how exciting :D. come on Canon get your arse into gear now lads!! ;) __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

September 7th, 2004, 08:05 AM	#20
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Masahiro, Is that way over $7,000? If so, it's probably not in my budget range. Do you have any other info about it? Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

September 7th, 2004, 09:43 AM	#24
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	3k is a huge price jump for the pro model, I mean 24p is a software fix...xlr is a couple hundred bucks... I think we are talking some kind of harddrive capture mechanism. __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

September 7th, 2004, 07:45 AM	#18
Masahiro Kikuchi New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 14	Murph, I've seen Sony's prototype of HD XDCAM. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20040527/nhk40.jpg It's 50Mbps/MPEG2, 45min for a 23GB single layer disc.

September 7th, 2004, 08:14 AM	#21
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	There are some in-depth articles about this new camera over at camcorderinfo.net. They say a pro version is expected March 2004 for around $7,000 but no further details. But this "consumer" version looks mighty nice! Hell, I already have a Beachtek box from my VX-2000 :-) I think there are some really great features here that have nothing to do with HDV and should be included on the PD-170. I really like the quantity and design of the manual controls for focus, zoom, iris, gain, audio. FINALLY a servo lens with calibrated zoom and focus stops! And a native 16:9 250,000 pixel LCD. That's a big improvement over letterboxing 16:9 on a 200,000 pixel screen. It also shoots 16:9 and 4:3 DV. Of course we'll have to see how it performs and give them some time to shake out all the bugs. But it sure looks like a winner to my eyes.

September 7th, 2004, 08:59 AM	#22
Sean Woods Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 50	I noticed there is a psuedo 24p mode with the mention of CineFrame24. I'm willing to bet that with the $3000 jump to the pro model, Sony will include true progressive 24 and 30p modes. What else would warrent that much of an increase?

September 7th, 2004, 09:36 AM	#23
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Who knows? Maybe it's a shoulder mount design, as the DSR-250 is to the PD-150?... I'm sure all this will be revealed before too long.

September 7th, 2004, 10:01 AM	#25
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I'd like to believe that, Michael, but if it has a hard drive then it's no longer "HDV." It becomes only "HDV compatible." The legal policies of the HDV consortium have mandated that a product can have the HDV logo only if it uses an HDV cassette. From http://www.hdv-info.org/trademk.htm: "(2) License of HDV trademarks HDV and HDV logo will be licensed only to the tape drive products which can record and play video cassette compliant to the HDV Format (HDV Tapes). The HDV trademarks may not be used on any products without a such tape drive." Go figure. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 7th, 2004, 10:49 AM	#26
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Damon, Agree with you on Canon needing to get their rear in gear... I've been patiently waiting and waiting -- like everyone else -- for HDV but figured it might be a while yet since Canon released the XL2 as an SD camera, albeit the penultimate SD cam. (This is where I begin softly sobbing). So, why oh why did Sony wait to announce their HDV 3-chipper until the week AFTER Canon released the XL2? Ah, well. It's just money! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 7th, 2004, 11:26 AM	#27
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I'd really like to see what Panny comes out with and how soon it will be realeased. Canon could probably stand by the XL2, but might have to drop the price a little (who am I kidding, you guys wanna start a pool on how long before the XL2S?). HD with 24p will likely kill off the DVX100, and if they relaese their HD model with a P2 recording system it definitely won't be HDV, like Chris said. Maybe that's why they didn't accept the format? These are great times (thank god I haven't bought a cam in awhile)! PS - I don't know if I missed it, so is this cam capable of SD recording? I think that will still be a valuable feature for quite some time.

September 7th, 2004, 11:40 AM	#28
Ed Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 104	Manual Controls! FRom http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5118 "And for ultimate control, the iris, gain, white balance, shutter speed and focus can also be adjusted manually. " why can't JVC do this on their HDV cameras? __________________ Ed Hill HighlyDef Productions, Atlanta, GA prblog.edhillpr.com Video and Online Advertising ed@highlydef.com

September 7th, 2004, 11:43 AM	#29
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Something else I noticed that's funny...In one of Sony's press releases... http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...409/04-0907bE/ ...they mention all the editing systems to support their new cam...EXCEPT their own Sony Vegas? I though Vegas 5 already supported HDV? Why wouldn't it be on their list?

September 7th, 2004, 02:25 PM	#30
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	<<<-- Originally posted by Jesse Bekas : PS - I don't know if I missed it, so is this cam capable of SD recording? I think that will still be a valuable feature for quite some time. -->>> Yes, it shoots both 4:3 and 16:9 SD and records DVSP and DVLP.