Sony Z1 and FX1 various questions 2004 - 2005

Aldo Visaggio · March 5th, 2005, 07:48 AM

This is a very interesting testimonial.
http://www.cyndigreening.com/more/SonyHVRZ1-LG.mov

Mike Tiffee · March 5th, 2005, 03:08 PM

that is a recut of the BBC interview that DSE posted a while back, but it includes a PIP of the JAG episode. Thanks!

Here's another version of the interview:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38555

Tony Wilson · March 6th, 2005, 03:38 AM

I bought a PD150 long before Sony came out with a wide-angle adaptor (without a lens shade!!!) and so purchased a Canon. I'm very pleased to now find that the Croziel matte box with the adaptor to fit this Canon lens now also fits my new Z1. It locks on to the bayonet section at the front of the Z1 lens (not further on as would be ideal) but seems reasonably secure. I have to insert the filters from the bottom as from the top the handles bang against the bottom of the mic.

Carlos E. Martinez · March 7th, 2005, 07:26 PM

On this URL you will find very interesting comments from one of the more active labs transferring video to film.

These are some first findings over tests they made using HDV:

http://www.swisseffects.ch/HDVto35mm_1.pdf

Quite enlightening and objective.

Puzzling when they say that the image has a "more videoish character" than pro HD formats.

Carlos

Andrew J Hall · March 8th, 2005, 02:23 AM

Sorry, these are newbie type questions but it is so easy to pass over the technical capabilities of a good tool instead of learning how to use it well.

What is the CineFrame setting actually doing and are there reasons for a preference of CF25 versus CF30 (the question is more directed to a visual preference rather than the technical)?

My eventual delivery will generally be by projector and HD DVD. How do these CineFrame settings fit for future HD DVD delivery? (Does the DVD player adjust to any given frame rate).

Similarly, are people finding the gamma settings 1 and 2 useful (I saw DSE's post on the PP setting thread)?

And then is the AE Shift setting in PP the same as AE Override with ASSIGN or are they doing different things?

Is there are way of doing an AE lock - so you point the camera somewhere, lock the AE and it holds the setting until released (like focus / recompose with a camera).

Andrew

Filip Kovcin · March 8th, 2005, 08:45 AM

i did some tests - when tested demo Z1 camera. and i cannot say that i agree on everything what is wroted on previously mentioned link.

- i did some transfer WITH CF mode. (i mean HDV-->35mm film)and it looked nice. i do not have waveform or similar instruments to judge somehow- how different two modes are, but to my eye - i do NOT think that CF mode is something difficult to transfer or "not correct". it looked nice, absolutelly no videoish look.

for me - the worst thing was GAIN - when over 3dB it looks very electronic, (not the picture but the noise). something what you will not exept from 35mm - it looks like someone puts electronic noise on normal film material. this is the only "electronic" atrefact visible (at least for me)

it's a pity that i cannot share this footage, but if someone wants to see it in poland - you are wellcome.

filip

Brent Marks · March 10th, 2005, 04:07 AM

I am still very new to this camera and I am learning it.

How do I properly change the mic input on the camera??

I have a new sennheiser shotgun mic...

I pull up the menu--- go to audio options... and hit external mic... Everything seems fine..

But it's still pulling sound from the on-camera Mic.... and when I do a status check.... the audio input is not External Mic...

Please advise

And thanks again for your time...

Paul Cascio · March 10th, 2005, 08:19 AM

I believe you set the menu to Line.
It's not very logical.

Sean M Lee · March 12th, 2005, 08:58 PM

Has anyone tried an SM 89 on the Sony HDV cam? I'm curious if it's too long for camera mount.

Thanks.

Shane Ingles · March 14th, 2005, 12:46 AM

1) Has anyone heard about a seperate focus and/or zoom controller for this beast of a camera? Looking for something so we can use a steady cam and have all the functions in hand.

2) We are a Vancouver based filmmaking commune and are currently in pre-production of our second feature which is a scifi comedy/interactive project. Which will be shot in a Vancouver studio between April. 6~11 and April.14~19.
We are attempting to do some pretty interesting things with this project and are looking for anyone interested in helping out, while also learning at the same time.

What were looking for is anyone with the new SONY HD Camera. We are planning to have a couple ourselves but are looking for quite a few for atleast one day, when we are going to attempt an atleast 10 camera BulletTime sequence.

So... If you have one of these new cameras and are looking to test it out with a new and innovative project. Please send a general email to shane@1501films.com and in the meantime please check us out at www.1501films.com and 2 of our other cast/roomates pages at www.dustinladd.com and www.aubreytennant.com and then within the next week or so we should have the actual movie website up at www.labcoatunderground.com

Don't be shy about replying were a bunch of funny and interesting Vancouver residents. So if your interested in this project, please ask any questions you like.

And does anyone know of there being a zoom/focus controller for the SONY DV camera?

Cheers

Sean M Lee · March 14th, 2005, 07:15 AM

Shane,
there are a number of options for focus and zoom.
They range from $150 for a Varizoom to much more (anyone remember the price) for a Chrosziel puller.

Do a search here for focus and you'll find lots of info.

Jeff Patnaude · March 14th, 2005, 10:02 AM

I have an green screen effects shot I'm doing in our studio in the next month or so, and am wondering if anyone in Atlanta now owns a Fx-1 or Z-1?

I'd like to shoot in HDV, but will do the shot in BetaSP otherwise. I know you can rent from Showcase Video, but seeking a private owner.

Let me know...

Jeff Patnaude

Ryan Morris · March 14th, 2005, 06:23 PM

If you watch during the interviews after practice/qualify they do digital zooms into the HD footage. It's so cool to use that extra resolution for something!

Robert Young · March 14th, 2005, 11:54 PM

If you have the Z1 camera set to output (downconvert) standard DV from an HDV recorded tape, and you are capturing to a standard preset DV project in Premiere Pro, do the capture window, device control, transport buttons, scene detect, etc., etc. all work normally?
In other words, is the workflow just the same as capturing clips from a standard DV tape in a PD 150, DSR-11 deck, etc.
Bob

Mark Kubat · March 15th, 2005, 12:23 AM

Hi folks...

read DSE's posts and if you look in editing forum, you'll see my link to frameserving to Vegas/Premiere Pro...

just wondering now if you can frameserve HDV into Vegas as an "avi" and then import it into 24p timeline to handle it the way you would a DVX100 24p - ie. apply 3:2 pulldown to the cf24 footage that's frameserved in...

would this work?

I won't be able to try till I get home in about 12 hrs...

Mark

March 5th, 2005, 07:48 AM	#136
Aldo Visaggio Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 82	HVR-Z1 testimonial This is a very interesting testimonial. http://www.cyndigreening.com/more/SonyHVRZ1-LG.mov

March 6th, 2005, 03:38 AM	#138
Tony Wilson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 12	Chrosziels matte box from PD150 fits Z1 I bought a PD150 long before Sony came out with a wide-angle adaptor (without a lens shade!!!) and so purchased a Canon. I'm very pleased to now find that the Croziel matte box with the adaptor to fit this Canon lens now also fits my new Z1. It locks on to the bayonet section at the front of the Z1 lens (not further on as would be ideal) but seems reasonably secure. I have to insert the filters from the bottom as from the top the handles bang against the bottom of the mic. __________________ Tony Wilson ACS Freelance DOP specialising in docos DV and (now) Z1 shooting. Based in Sydney, Australia tony@theCameraClass.com.au

March 7th, 2005, 07:26 PM	#139
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	HDV to film On this URL you will find very interesting comments from one of the more active labs transferring video to film. These are some first findings over tests they made using HDV: http://www.swisseffects.ch/HDVto35mm_1.pdf Quite enlightening and objective. Puzzling when they say that the image has a "more videoish character" than pro HD formats. Carlos

March 8th, 2005, 02:23 AM	#140
Andrew J Hall Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 80	Individual Picture Profile Settings Sorry, these are newbie type questions but it is so easy to pass over the technical capabilities of a good tool instead of learning how to use it well. What is the CineFrame setting actually doing and are there reasons for a preference of CF25 versus CF30 (the question is more directed to a visual preference rather than the technical)? My eventual delivery will generally be by projector and HD DVD. How do these CineFrame settings fit for future HD DVD delivery? (Does the DVD player adjust to any given frame rate). Similarly, are people finding the gamma settings 1 and 2 useful (I saw DSE's post on the PP setting thread)? And then is the AE Shift setting in PP the same as AE Override with ASSIGN or are they doing different things? Is there are way of doing an AE lock - so you point the camera somewhere, lock the AE and it holds the setting until released (like focus / recompose with a camera). Andrew __________________ http://www.ps-scripts.com/ Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz, 2x 2Gb Ram, ATI Radeon HD 3850

March 8th, 2005, 08:45 AM	#141
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	i did some tests - when tested demo Z1 camera. and i cannot say that i agree on everything what is wroted on previously mentioned link. - i did some transfer WITH CF mode. (i mean HDV-->35mm film)and it looked nice. i do not have waveform or similar instruments to judge somehow- how different two modes are, but to my eye - i do NOT think that CF mode is something difficult to transfer or "not correct". it looked nice, absolutelly no videoish look. for me - the worst thing was GAIN - when over 3dB it looks very electronic, (not the picture but the noise). something what you will not exept from 35mm - it looks like someone puts electronic noise on normal film material. this is the only "electronic" atrefact visible (at least for me) it's a pity that i cannot share this footage, but if someone wants to see it in poland - you are wellcome. filip __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

March 5th, 2005, 03:08 PM	#137
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	that is a recut of the BBC interview that DSE posted a while back, but it includes a PIP of the JAG episode. Thanks! Here's another version of the interview: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38555

March 10th, 2005, 04:07 AM	#142
Brent Marks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston TX and New Orleans LA Posts: 300	changing mic input on HDR-FX1 I am still very new to this camera and I am learning it. How do I properly change the mic input on the camera?? I have a new sennheiser shotgun mic... I pull up the menu--- go to audio options... and hit external mic... Everything seems fine.. But it's still pulling sound from the on-camera Mic.... and when I do a status check.... the audio input is not External Mic... Please advise And thanks again for your time...

March 10th, 2005, 08:19 AM	#143
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	I believe you set the menu to Line. It's not very logical. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

March 12th, 2005, 08:58 PM	#144
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	Anyone Use a Shure SM89 on their FX1/Z1? Has anyone tried an SM 89 on the Sony HDV cam? I'm curious if it's too long for camera mount. Thanks.

March 14th, 2005, 12:46 AM	#145
Shane Ingles Tourist Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2	A couple of things... 1) Has anyone heard about a seperate focus and/or zoom controller for this beast of a camera? Looking for something so we can use a steady cam and have all the functions in hand. 2) We are a Vancouver based filmmaking commune and are currently in pre-production of our second feature which is a scifi comedy/interactive project. Which will be shot in a Vancouver studio between April. 6~11 and April.14~19. We are attempting to do some pretty interesting things with this project and are looking for anyone interested in helping out, while also learning at the same time. What were looking for is anyone with the new SONY HD Camera. We are planning to have a couple ourselves but are looking for quite a few for atleast one day, when we are going to attempt an atleast 10 camera BulletTime sequence. So... If you have one of these new cameras and are looking to test it out with a new and innovative project. Please send a general email to shane@1501films.com and in the meantime please check us out at www.1501films.com and 2 of our other cast/roomates pages at www.dustinladd.com and www.aubreytennant.com and then within the next week or so we should have the actual movie website up at www.labcoatunderground.com Don't be shy about replying were a bunch of funny and interesting Vancouver residents. So if your interested in this project, please ask any questions you like. And does anyone know of there being a zoom/focus controller for the SONY DV camera? Cheers

March 14th, 2005, 07:15 AM	#146
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	Shane, there are a number of options for focus and zoom. They range from $150 for a Varizoom to much more (anyone remember the price) for a Chrosziel puller. Do a search here for focus and you'll find lots of info.

March 14th, 2005, 10:02 AM	#147
Jeff Patnaude Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Duluth, Georgia Posts: 248	FX-1 / Z1 Owner in Atlanta? I have an green screen effects shot I'm doing in our studio in the next month or so, and am wondering if anyone in Atlanta now owns a Fx-1 or Z-1? I'd like to shoot in HDV, but will do the shot in BetaSP otherwise. I know you can rent from Showcase Video, but seeking a private owner. Let me know... Jeff Patnaude

March 14th, 2005, 06:23 PM	#148
Ryan Morris Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 33	zooms into HD footage If you watch during the interviews after practice/qualify they do digital zooms into the HD footage. It's so cool to use that extra resolution for something!

March 14th, 2005, 11:54 PM	#149
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	Z1: DV Capture to PPro If you have the Z1 camera set to output (downconvert) standard DV from an HDV recorded tape, and you are capturing to a standard preset DV project in Premiere Pro, do the capture window, device control, transport buttons, scene detect, etc., etc. all work normally? In other words, is the workflow just the same as capturing clips from a standard DV tape in a PD 150, DSR-11 deck, etc. Bob

March 15th, 2005, 12:23 AM	#150
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	new frameserving method - HDV into Vegas as "avi" - a way to get cf24 to be 24p? Hi folks... read DSE's posts and if you look in editing forum, you'll see my link to frameserving to Vegas/Premiere Pro... just wondering now if you can frameserve HDV into Vegas as an "avi" and then import it into 24p timeline to handle it the way you would a DVX100 24p - ie. apply 3:2 pulldown to the cf24 footage that's frameserved in... would this work? I won't be able to try till I get home in about 12 hrs... Mark