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John Jay · December 28th, 2004, 04:55 PM

its Kaku again !

60i > 30P

corrected for bt 601 standard

http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...81P2OV31BT2TP3

link will expire after 7 days

Anhar Miah · December 28th, 2004, 07:41 PM

hmm, wo ho nice bunny hop, (please note i'm a ex BMX punk, ok not exactly punk more trousers and shirt guy riding a BMX)

yea that was cool, i'll burn it on watch it on TV, its bound to look good.

Adam Rench · January 3rd, 2005, 08:30 PM

John Jay - what program did you use to do that in?

Steven Gotz · January 3rd, 2005, 10:14 PM

Whatever program converted it from 60i to 30p sure left in a lot of remnants of the interlacing.

John Jay · January 4th, 2005, 08:56 AM

Culbert Rench,

The conversion was done on a PC running Canopus Procoder 2 with the following filters applied

1 adaptive deinterlace>discard non-dominant field

2 709 to 601 color correction

Adam Rench · January 4th, 2005, 12:05 PM

OK, I was curious because it looked WAY better than anything I've been able to produce using a DVfilm / Avid Xpress DV combo on my PC. Gosh, my stuff looks absolutely horrible compared to yours.

Steven, if you think his looked remnanty, heh.. you should see mine.

Steven Gotz · January 4th, 2005, 12:19 PM

OK, you made me go back and look again. Now that I have scrutinized it, I don't see the artifacts I thought I saw earlier. In fact, it looks fine.

I wonder if it was just too late to be watching videos?

Sorry about that.

John Jay · January 4th, 2005, 12:28 PM

Culbert Rench,

I looked up the output settings that were used and they are

720x480 NTSC 29.976
Non-interlaced 16x9
2 pass VBR Mastering Quality
min 4000 max 8000 avg 6900

Procoder correctly identifies the original HDV as PES stream top field first

took about 7min to render the 42 second sequence with all the filters and scaling included on P4 2.4gig

Adam Rench · January 4th, 2005, 01:55 PM

I'm just learning about editing and codecs. So my knowledge on the subject is growing, but I still need to learn WAY more about this stuff. What I did on my test (just to learn) was I used the DVfilm Maker demo and converted the .m2t file I had dl'ed from this site to 24p. I then imported it into Avid Xpress DV.

After I imported into Avid, it looked very good on the composer screen, but when I exported it, it looked horendous! I tried different codecs for both importing and exporting at different resolutions and came up with pretty much crap. I was able to get a decent .mov file after a few days of playing around, but it wasn't very big at all. Here's the clip actually if you want to see it.

http://www.bohoc.org/out_of_car.mov

When I saw yours, I was very impressed. I have on order, the Avid Xpress Pro version, which I then purchased the HD upgrade for $50 and I'll wait until mid 2005 to get my HDV editing capability, but I thought that I would be able to get something decent out of Avid Xpress DV and DV Film, but my results were very bad mostly.

You really sound like you know what you are doing. Any recommendations for a workflow with what I'm describing?

Penfold Plum · January 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM

That footage looks good. The FX1 seems to have a distinct look to it, the mpeg compression gives still areas an almost static look while moving objects take a little hit and go rather blurry. It's interesting. If I was shooting with one I would tend to use static camera shots and let people and things move within the frame. Moving the camera makes the mpeg compression struggle a bit with everything changing at once.

Davi Dortas · January 4th, 2005, 05:40 PM

It so high resolution its almost like you need not to pan inside frame. Just let the action occur within. Very nice and cinematic!

John Jay · January 7th, 2005, 07:09 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Culbert Rench :
You really sound like you know what you are doing. Any recommendations for a workflow with what I'm describing? -->>>

Culbert Rench,

I can only say what our plans are and they encompass

Canopus Edius 3> Procoder 2> Xplode 4

Avid Pro 5+ when the HDV update becomes available

and the trusty old After Effects 6.5+

December 28th, 2004, 04:55 PM	#1
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	HDV > DVD sample download its Kaku again ! 60i > 30P corrected for bt 601 standard http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...81P2OV31BT2TP3 link will expire after 7 days __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

January 4th, 2005, 08:56 AM	#5
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	Culbert Rench, The conversion was done on a PC running Canopus Procoder 2 with the following filters applied 1 adaptive deinterlace>discard non-dominant field 2 709 to 601 color correction __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

January 4th, 2005, 12:28 PM	#8
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	Culbert Rench, I looked up the output settings that were used and they are 720x480 NTSC 29.976 Non-interlaced 16x9 2 pass VBR Mastering Quality min 4000 max 8000 avg 6900 Procoder correctly identifies the original HDV as PES stream top field first took about 7min to render the 42 second sequence with all the filters and scaling included on P4 2.4gig __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

January 7th, 2005, 07:09 PM	#12
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	<<<-- Originally posted by Culbert Rench : You really sound like you know what you are doing. Any recommendations for a workflow with what I'm describing? -->>> Culbert Rench, I can only say what our plans are and they encompass Canopus Edius 3> Procoder 2> Xplode 4 Avid Pro 5+ when the HDV update becomes available and the trusty old After Effects 6.5+ __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

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December 28th, 2004, 07:41 PM	#2
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	hmm, wo ho nice bunny hop, (please note i'm a ex BMX punk, ok not exactly punk more trousers and shirt guy riding a BMX) yea that was cool, i'll burn it on watch it on TV, its bound to look good.

January 3rd, 2005, 08:30 PM	#3
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	John Jay - what program did you use to do that in?

January 3rd, 2005, 10:14 PM	#4
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Whatever program converted it from 60i to 30p sure left in a lot of remnants of the interlacing.

January 4th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#6
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	OK, I was curious because it looked WAY better than anything I've been able to produce using a DVfilm / Avid Xpress DV combo on my PC. Gosh, my stuff looks absolutely horrible compared to yours. Steven, if you think his looked remnanty, heh.. you should see mine.

January 4th, 2005, 12:19 PM	#7
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	OK, you made me go back and look again. Now that I have scrutinized it, I don't see the artifacts I thought I saw earlier. In fact, it looks fine. I wonder if it was just too late to be watching videos? Sorry about that.

January 4th, 2005, 01:55 PM	#9
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	I'm just learning about editing and codecs. So my knowledge on the subject is growing, but I still need to learn WAY more about this stuff. What I did on my test (just to learn) was I used the DVfilm Maker demo and converted the .m2t file I had dl'ed from this site to 24p. I then imported it into Avid Xpress DV. After I imported into Avid, it looked very good on the composer screen, but when I exported it, it looked horendous! I tried different codecs for both importing and exporting at different resolutions and came up with pretty much crap. I was able to get a decent .mov file after a few days of playing around, but it wasn't very big at all. Here's the clip actually if you want to see it. http://www.bohoc.org/out_of_car.mov When I saw yours, I was very impressed. I have on order, the Avid Xpress Pro version, which I then purchased the HD upgrade for $50 and I'll wait until mid 2005 to get my HDV editing capability, but I thought that I would be able to get something decent out of Avid Xpress DV and DV Film, but my results were very bad mostly. You really sound like you know what you are doing. Any recommendations for a workflow with what I'm describing?

January 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM	#10
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	That footage looks good. The FX1 seems to have a distinct look to it, the mpeg compression gives still areas an almost static look while moving objects take a little hit and go rather blurry. It's interesting. If I was shooting with one I would tend to use static camera shots and let people and things move within the frame. Moving the camera makes the mpeg compression struggle a bit with everything changing at once.

January 4th, 2005, 05:40 PM	#11
Davi Dortas Membership Suspended Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 78	It so high resolution its almost like you need not to pan inside frame. Just let the action occur within. Very nice and cinematic!