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Old May 1st, 2005, 11:35 PM   #16
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"Sin City" Production Info in Post

FYI - The newest Post Magazine has a article on "Sin City" with some interesting production details. Here's a link to the online version of the article:

http://www.postmagazine.com/post/art....jsp?id=156354
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 07:37 PM   #17
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Eric, the background you used, was it CG or a real location?
if it was real, what plugins did you use to get that look?
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 04:14 AM   #18
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Peter,
The tracking was done in PFHoe which is a cheaper version of PFTrack. It only does SD. I just downsized the footage to SD for the tracking. The Green Screen was set up at a 90* angle so it had 2 sides. With the corner there was enough tracking data. I did quite a bit of tweeking in C4D. I probibly spent 10 hours just on getting the camera perfect. Keep in mind thats 10 hours AFTER the track. I'm sure using PFTrack with full HD res would help out a lot.
http://www.thepixelfarm.co.uk/

The Key is actually pretty good even in color, I didn't even do any spill supression because there was no need. B&W helped kill any problems :)

Derrell,
You just gave me the best compliment I could imagine! The fact it could be taken for a real set means quite a bit to me. To answer your question: Everything but Patrick(the actor) was CG. The entire set, the rain, etc was all CG. It was created using Cinema 4D. Watch the making of video to see what I mean.


For those interested here is a look at one of my shake trees for this project:
http://www.12in12.com/sincity/shaketreesincity.jpg



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Old May 3rd, 2005, 07:58 AM   #19
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Man, I wish I could afford Shake.

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Old May 3rd, 2005, 09:06 AM   #20
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Eric, looks great and I think Rodriguez would be proud considering you were using a $3,000 and not $100,000 cam to achieve this. Were you shooting cineframe 30 or did you de-interlace in post?

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Old May 3rd, 2005, 11:43 AM   #21
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Eric, thanks for the reply.
the only thing i might of changed would be the rain effect.
i use after effects and have 3 or 4 different type of rain effects to choose from. but thats just me. you really did a great job.
now that you are getting this down so good, you ever think of doing some kind of short parody of sin city? i think a comedy spoof would have people rolling in the iles.
keep up the good work, look forward to seeing more.
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p.s. even when i play back the sd version at 1920x1080, it looks great.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 02:18 PM   #22
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Bryan,
I use a version that is on loan from a friend, I can't afford shake either. Although I'm starting to save asap for shake 4. Hopefully it will be my christmas present to myself :)

Sean,
Yup I think the FX-1 is an amazing camera....If you have enough light. For this stuff you MUST have enough light or you can't pull a key.
This was shot at 60i and it must be or it wouldn't work. If you shoot at CF30 your losing so much detail it's very difficult to pull a key. I actaully never deinterlaced. Because it was shot in 1080i, once I bring it down to 720p there is no need to deinterlace. I do have a 1080i version that I output back to the FX-1 that is still interlaced.

Darrell,
I'm actually asking all of my buddies to write up idea for a short that involves VFX work. I told them to go crazy for the story, nothing is impossible. That way I end up with quite the challange. I don't know if I will end up going with a sin city style again or not. Most likely not.

If any of you guys have any ideas, I'm open to try just about anything.

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Bryan,
I use a version that is on loan from a friend, I can't afford shake either. Although I'm starting to save asap for shake 4. Hopefully it will be my christmas present to myself :)
Ok, I wish I had a friend that had Shake to loan me. :(



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Pheeeno - nominal!!! Kicks complete ass. What did you use to downconvert from 1080i to 720p? Where did you shoot the background??

Wow.
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Old May 14th, 2005, 12:37 AM   #25
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Just looked at Shake, is that how you made the background?

Sorry I'm being such a fanboy, it's the best footage I've ever seen from this cam.
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Old May 14th, 2005, 12:35 PM   #26
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Hey Michael,
I made all of the 3d scene in cinema 4D R8:
http://www.maxon.de/index_e.html

I just used shake for the compositing, everything else was done in cinema 4D and Final Cut Pro.

Thanks for the kind words :)
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Eric James,

Great work!

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Excellent job! How did you do the rain?
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Sorry to ask about the rain. I only thought there was one page when I posted.
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Old June 13th, 2005, 08:48 PM   #30
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Great work!

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Thanks for the kind words Michael. Soon will be test #3 :)
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