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Old October 8th, 2005, 10:50 PM   #1
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Z1U gets better images than FX1?

I'm sorry if this has been discussed many times already, but I couldn't find it in a quick scan of this board (I probably didn't look hard enough).

I was told in another thread that the Z1U has better image quality than the Z1U. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52359) I have the FX1 and plan on getting the Z1U in the future, but in my experience, they perform very similarly in HDV mode (DV vs. DVCAM may be a different story).

I know the Z1 has black stretch, the extra cinematone (both of which I envy), and additional color tweaking features. Aside from these, what is the main difference in terms of image quality?
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Old October 9th, 2005, 01:22 AM   #2
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Chad, look here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=49002
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Old October 10th, 2005, 12:17 PM   #3
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All things being equal, the Z1 and the FX1 should produce the same quality footage (visually anyway).

The differences (black stretch, cinegamma etc) will allow you more control which may mean you can improve the images by tailoring them to your tastes/needs, and means, in expert hands the Z1 can perform better, but out of the box, the lens, CCD and codec are the same.

Also, I get the impression that the thread you link to refers to audio via the Z1U would be better than audio in the FX1 via an XLR adaptor, which would make sense, though it is an assumption I can't test.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 04:19 PM   #4
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Dylan.
Having just had edited two tv docs that I shot on both the FX1 and Z1 (BBC and S4C), I can say that there's no difference in the audio quality between the two cameras - and certainly no difference visually since they were both set up the same as regards Picture Preference.
As a tribute to the quality available from these cameras, I was pleased to hear that the editor on one programme - not knowing how the pictures were acquired - made the comment in the facilities house that it was the best DV material he'd ever seen...


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Old October 10th, 2005, 07:09 PM   #5
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I own the FX-1. My buddy owns the Z-1. I can assure you there is NO difference in picture quality. However, the Z-1 can be tweaked via the menu settings that do not exist in the FX-1 menu.


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I'm sorry if this has been discussed many times already, but I couldn't find it in a quick scan of this board (I probably didn't look hard enough).

I was told in another thread that the Z1U has better image quality than the Z1U. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52359) I have the FX1 and plan on getting the Z1U in the future, but in my experience, they perform very similarly in HDV mode (DV vs. DVCAM may be a different story).

I know the Z1 has black stretch, the extra cinematone (both of which I envy), and additional color tweaking features. Aside from these, what is the main difference in terms of image quality?
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Old October 17th, 2005, 06:55 AM   #6
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Having just had edited two tv docs that I shot on both the FX1 and Z1 (BBC and S4C), I can say that there's no difference in the audio quality between the two cameras - and certainly no difference visually since they were both set up the same as regards Picture Preference.
As a tribute to the quality available from these cameras, I was pleased to hear that the editor on one programme - not knowing how the pictures were acquired - made the comment in the facilities house that it was the best DV material he'd ever seen...


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Robin, very interesting. May I ask how the audio was got into the FX1? Was it a modified unit, along the lines of the BBC's VX2000s?
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Old October 17th, 2005, 07:25 AM   #7
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Hi Dylan

Robin will confirm this but I believe he uses a similar set up to myself... XLR adapter (Beachtek, or equivilant unit etc) and an Audio Technica 897 microphone.. I use the AT on camera with a Creative video mic mount adapted to my camera, or on a boom, which ever suits my shooting situation.

I also use the Senheisser G2 radio lav mics when needed...

I can't comment on the difference with the Z1 audio, but this works very well for me, giving me good clean audio.

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Old October 18th, 2005, 08:20 AM   #8
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Dylan,
I use the Beachtek box.
The sound recordist just plugs his mixer into it and away to go.
He was using a number of mics, from his Sennheiser 416 to radio mics.
One of the docs is due to be shown next week I think on BBC Wales.
When I get the exact time and date, I'll let you know - you should be able to watch (and listen) on Sky...

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Old October 19th, 2005, 12:56 PM   #9
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Dylan,

The doc I shot with the FX1 as well as the Z1 is called
"Opera Playhouse",in the "On Show" series and is on this Sunday on BBC One Wales, at 2255.
You should easily find it on Sky (if you have Sky that is ;-) )

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Old October 20th, 2005, 09:47 AM   #10
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Actually I don't even have a TV licence as I don't watch broadcast TV, but if I can get it recorded for me, I'd like to be able to show my students as an example of a professional production shot with the same or similar model of cameras.

Great, now I can prove to my Boss that noodling around on Internet discussion boards in work hours IS a valid form of research!
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Just thought of a load of extra question,Robin, if you have time...

Did you shoot DV or HD?

If you shot in HDV, did you edit at HD res or downconvert?

If you downcoverted, did you do it in camera, with an HDV bridge or hardware card, or in software?

If you edited in HD, did you edit HDV native or using an HD intermediate (or uncompressed or some such)
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We shot in SD.

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We shot in SD.

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Why?

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Old October 21st, 2005, 06:11 AM   #14
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Because that's what the client wanted as an acquisition format. If it had been my own production I'd most probably shot HDV as archive and edited in SD, but someone else was paying so........

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Thanks Robin. Guess there must still be a need for SD. Any idea why they wanted it in SD? Grazie
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