Confetti disaster... at DVinfo.net

Ash Greyson · November 30th, 2005, 03:08 AM

This makes the Z1 zero for two in shooting concerts for me. The first time I shot a concert with a Z1 it was the handheld camera in a predominately varicam shoot. It had quite a bit of trouble with the Vari-light when they would surge, flash etc. They still saved some shots so it wasnt a total disaster.

Since that time I have shot some interviews and outdoor stuff that looked GREAT, even fast moving NASCARS, etc. So I figured it was a fluke at the concert.

Last week, I was hired to shoot just the last song and encore of a concert and they were having a big celebration, party, etc. Lots of musicians on stage, lighting wasnt crazy but when the confetti dropped... YIKES. The Z1 just could not handle it. At this point I dont know whether to blame the camera or the format but the 24P stuff I have shot with the JVC does not seem to flame out as easy... of course, there are a host of other issues.

Am I the only one who ever has this happen? When I bring it up most the Z1 people say they have never heard of such a thing.

ash =o)

Armin Obersteiner · November 30th, 2005, 03:57 AM

Sounds linke a combination of lighting, shutter and compression. Can we see a frame?

Duncan Craig · November 30th, 2005, 05:08 PM

Here's a 5 camera Z1 shoot I did early in the year 24MB.
1 Wide FOH, 2 CU FOH, 2 HH OS.

http://joelongthorneassociates.com/P...dise_Promo.mov

Apart from the Z1 lens on the closeup FOH cameras not being strong enough for the size of the room, it worked quite well.

I'm on the stage left handheld, my Z1 had a Sony Highgrade WA and was on a DVRigPro.

Emre Safak · November 30th, 2005, 08:52 PM

Dust and smoke are the bane of MPEG-2; it looks like noise to the encoder, and can obscure any objects it occludes, throwing off the motion tracker.

Ash Greyson · December 1st, 2005, 03:09 PM

I will get a frame sent to me... smoke, variable lighting and tons of little colored particles was prolly a worst case scenario for HDV!

ash =o)

Ash Greyson · December 1st, 2005, 03:13 PM

Duncan, I am dealing with rock shows, LOTS of movement everywhere and tons of moving/changing/flashing lights. HDV just isnt ready for this type of work...

ash =o)

Tom Roper · December 1st, 2005, 09:35 PM

HDTV is not ready for that type of work either, no matter the HD format. The recorded format whatever is going to get compressed for distribution to the mainstream. There was a Motley Crue HDTV broadcast on HDNet, I forget the exact name but it was something like "Lewd Crued and Tatoo'd" I think. It was chock with motion, panning, strobing lights and smoke. It wasn't HDV and it wasn't pretty. Well. the girls were...

November 30th, 2005, 03:08 AM	#1
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Confetti disaster... This makes the Z1 zero for two in shooting concerts for me. The first time I shot a concert with a Z1 it was the handheld camera in a predominately varicam shoot. It had quite a bit of trouble with the Vari-light when they would surge, flash etc. They still saved some shots so it wasnt a total disaster. Since that time I have shot some interviews and outdoor stuff that looked GREAT, even fast moving NASCARS, etc. So I figured it was a fluke at the concert. Last week, I was hired to shoot just the last song and encore of a concert and they were having a big celebration, party, etc. Lots of musicians on stage, lighting wasnt crazy but when the confetti dropped... YIKES. The Z1 just could not handle it. At this point I dont know whether to blame the camera or the format but the 24P stuff I have shot with the JVC does not seem to flame out as easy... of course, there are a host of other issues. Am I the only one who ever has this happen? When I bring it up most the Z1 people say they have never heard of such a thing. ash =o)

November 30th, 2005, 08:52 PM	#4
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Dust and smoke are the bane of MPEG-2; it looks like noise to the encoder, and can obscure any objects it occludes, throwing off the motion tracker. Last edited by Emre Safak; November 30th, 2005 at 09:33 PM.

November 30th, 2005, 03:57 AM	#2
Armin Obersteiner New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 24	Sounds linke a combination of lighting, shutter and compression. Can we see a frame?

November 30th, 2005, 05:08 PM	#3
Duncan Craig Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 660 Images: 10	Here's a 5 camera Z1 shoot I did early in the year 24MB. 1 Wide FOH, 2 CU FOH, 2 HH OS. http://joelongthorneassociates.com/P...dise_Promo.mov Apart from the Z1 lens on the closeup FOH cameras not being strong enough for the size of the room, it worked quite well. I'm on the stage left handheld, my Z1 had a Sony Highgrade WA and was on a DVRigPro.

December 1st, 2005, 03:09 PM	#5
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	I will get a frame sent to me... smoke, variable lighting and tons of little colored particles was prolly a worst case scenario for HDV! ash =o)

December 1st, 2005, 03:13 PM	#6
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Duncan, I am dealing with rock shows, LOTS of movement everywhere and tons of moving/changing/flashing lights. HDV just isnt ready for this type of work... ash =o)

December 1st, 2005, 09:35 PM	#7
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	HDTV is not ready for that type of work either, no matter the HD format. The recorded format whatever is going to get compressed for distribution to the mainstream. There was a Motley Crue HDTV broadcast on HDNet, I forget the exact name but it was something like "Lewd Crued and Tatoo'd" I think. It was chock with motion, panning, strobing lights and smoke. It wasn't HDV and it wasn't pretty. Well. the girls were...