Is there a difference between PAL and NTSC for the FX1? at DVinfo.net

David Delaney · July 19th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Let me start by saying - I understand that PAL is 25p and that NTSC is 30fps. I am just wondering if there is any difference when loading onto my computer. I have seen an FX1 PAL version at BHphoto and wondered why the PAL version would be cheaper...

Boyd Ostroff · July 19th, 2006, 05:00 PM

As far as pricing goes, it's hard to say but is probably related to the principle of supply and demand.

The NTSC FX1 will only shoot using NTSC format of 60 interlaced fields/sec, and the PAL version only works in 50i mode. In standard definition mode PAL is 720x576 and NTSC is 720x480. So you need to purchase the version which works with the TV standard in your country or it's going to be a conversion problem with your footage. Computer software doesn't really care whether you shoot PAL or NTSC, you just choose the correct settings. But TV sets, DVD players and VCR's in the US are generally NTSC only.

Of course you could always buy the Z1 if you want the abillity to shoot in either format.

David Delaney · July 19th, 2006, 09:29 PM

Interesting. I thought the Z1 was the same as the FX1, except it was the UK model...

Boyd Ostroff · July 20th, 2006, 07:37 AM

The Z1 is the pro version of the FX1 with many additional features, including the ability to switch between PAL and NTSC. For a comparison see this: http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sonyhdrfx1/compare.php

Heath McKnight · July 21st, 2006, 01:47 PM

First off, PAL and NTSC are gone, because other than the frame rates, the frame size, color space and more are finally the same. Also, it isn't 25p but 50i.

There is an FX1e (Europe) that does 50i; it's very popular with filmmakers in America, since it's a bit more affordable than the Z1 and does 50i. I prefer to use the Z1, since it does both. You never know when you're shooting something to pay the bills and you need 60i and don't have time for a conversion from 50i to 60i.

heath

Roman Oulko · August 10th, 2006, 10:29 PM

hello guys i have a Sony XL 1 E European version i was wondering if someone knows how to convert from PAL Sytem to American NTSC system ? (Software or how to play videos recorded in PAL on american TVs )

Bruno Donnet · August 11th, 2006, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman Oulko

i have a Sony XL 1 E European version

Do you mean Canon XL 1 camcorder or Sony VAIO XL1 media center?

Roman Oulko · August 11th, 2006, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruno Donnet

Do you mean Canon XL 1 camcorder or Sony VAIO XL1 media center?

I meant Sony HDR FX1E Camera sorry for that mistake

Heath McKnight · August 11th, 2006, 01:17 PM

For Mac, try www.nattress.com and for Mac/PC, try www.dvfilm.com/atlantis. Remember, once you convert it, you'll need an NTSC (or PAL) deck.

Lastly, keep one thing in mind, there is no more NTSC or PAL, since everything is now the same in the HDV world: same frame size, colorspace, etc., just a different frame rate.

heath

Roman Oulko · July 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Guys what is better Sony HDR FX1 or Sony HDR FX 1E?
what is the difference between them? other than 60i and 50i

Vince Halushka · July 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM

Hey guys,
I have 10 mini dv tapes shot in pal that I need imported into my ntsc project.
I do not have a deck that handles both, I use a small hc42 camcorder..any suggestions for capture...I am using imoive and FCE.
thanks

Boyd Ostroff · July 29th, 2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman Oulko

Guys what is better Sony HDR FX1 or Sony HDR FX 1E?
what is the difference between them? other than 60i and 50i

That's the difference in a nutshell. The FX1E will give you 1080i50 or 576i50 along with cineframe 25, while the FX1 offers 1080i60 or 480i60 along with cineframe 30 and cineframe 24.

I've never verified this personally, but have heard that either camera can play back footage in both formats.

Boyd Ostroff · July 29th, 2007, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince Halushka

Hey guys,
I have 10 mini dv tapes shot in pal that I need imported into my ntsc project.

Vince, unless you're asking something that pertains the the Sony Z1 or FX1 your question is in the wrong forum. Are your tapes standard definition PAL?

To bring things back on topic, the Z1 is capable of recording and playing back high definition and standard definition PAL or NTSC tapes so it would do what you want. The US (NTSC) version of the FX1 might be able to capture PAL tapes, but this would be an undocumented/unsupported feature.

You might want to start a new thread in our Open DV forum since that's a better place for a broad question like yours: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=35

Brandon Freeman · July 30th, 2007, 12:10 PM

An NTSC FX1 will read PAL HDV to be sure. I have done it time and time again. Not sure about standard definition, but HDV 50i and 60i is readable on an NTSC FX1.

July 19th, 2006, 04:48 PM	#1
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Is there a difference between PAL and NTSC for the FX1? Let me start by saying - I understand that PAL is 25p and that NTSC is 30fps. I am just wondering if there is any difference when loading onto my computer. I have seen an FX1 PAL version at BHphoto and wondered why the PAL version would be cheaper...

July 21st, 2006, 01:47 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	First off, PAL and NTSC are gone, because other than the frame rates, the frame size, color space and more are finally the same. Also, it isn't 25p but 50i. There is an FX1e (Europe) that does 50i; it's very popular with filmmakers in America, since it's a bit more affordable than the Z1 and does 50i. I prefer to use the Z1, since it does both. You never know when you're shooting something to pay the bills and you need 60i and don't have time for a conversion from 50i to 60i. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

August 11th, 2006, 01:17 PM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	For Mac, try www.nattress.com and for Mac/PC, try www.dvfilm.com/atlantis. Remember, once you convert it, you'll need an NTSC (or PAL) deck. Lastly, keep one thing in mind, there is no more NTSC or PAL, since everything is now the same in the HDV world: same frame size, colorspace, etc., just a different frame rate. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM	#10
Roman Oulko Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Valencia CA Posts: 38	Guys what is better Sony HDR FX1 or Sony HDR FX 1E? what is the difference between them? other than 60i and 50i __________________ SONY HDR FX1E

July 19th, 2006, 05:00 PM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	As far as pricing goes, it's hard to say but is probably related to the principle of supply and demand. The NTSC FX1 will only shoot using NTSC format of 60 interlaced fields/sec, and the PAL version only works in 50i mode. In standard definition mode PAL is 720x576 and NTSC is 720x480. So you need to purchase the version which works with the TV standard in your country or it's going to be a conversion problem with your footage. Computer software doesn't really care whether you shoot PAL or NTSC, you just choose the correct settings. But TV sets, DVD players and VCR's in the US are generally NTSC only. Of course you could always buy the Z1 if you want the abillity to shoot in either format.

July 19th, 2006, 09:29 PM	#3
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Interesting. I thought the Z1 was the same as the FX1, except it was the UK model...

July 20th, 2006, 07:37 AM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	The Z1 is the pro version of the FX1 with many additional features, including the ability to switch between PAL and NTSC. For a comparison see this: http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sonyhdrfx1/compare.php

August 10th, 2006, 10:29 PM	#6
Roman Oulko Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Valencia CA Posts: 38	hello guys i have a Sony XL 1 E European version i was wondering if someone knows how to convert from PAL Sytem to American NTSC system ? (Software or how to play videos recorded in PAL on american TVs )

July 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM	#11
Vince Halushka Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Yellowknife canada Posts: 74	Hey guys, I have 10 mini dv tapes shot in pal that I need imported into my ntsc project. I do not have a deck that handles both, I use a small hc42 camcorder..any suggestions for capture...I am using imoive and FCE. thanks

July 30th, 2007, 12:10 PM	#14
Brandon Freeman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 226	An NTSC FX1 will read PAL HDV to be sure. I have done it time and time again. Not sure about standard definition, but HDV 50i and 60i is readable on an NTSC FX1.