Is Cineframe 25 acceptable?
I seem to be finding more and more people saying that CF25 is actually not as bad as originally suggested.
Is it the case that the CF mode on the Z1 is not so good in NTSC land but ok in PAL land where it's just going from 50i to CF25? I am considering shooting a short with two cameras using the 25p function on the V1 and the CF25 function on the Z1. Final product will be a simple HDV output. I know the V1P has its own 25p issues but those aside, is the CF25 function on the Z1P really that bad? Is it going to make me regret using it? And sub-question - should CF25 footage be edited in PPro on a 50i timeline like the V1s 25p footage is it better on or a customized 25p timeline? |
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For me it'll be the best I can get. I want to make sure it's not going to be a mistake. |
I assume you've seen Adam Wilt's analysis here?
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Why not do some tests of your own and see what you think. I suspect it will come down to a subjective judgement in the end. |
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John - do a search on site for the 50i to 24p workflow used in Tomorrow is Today. There's a pdf you can download .
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Is Cineframe 25 acceptable?
Hi guys, I'm new here...
I've used it in the past to great effect, it's really kinda handy to know that one can have that kind of effect in the camera, on the fly... but, that said though, it has it's place... |
I don't know if CF25 is different from CF30, but CF30 field doubles and leaves you with half as many lines of resolution. Personally, I don't consider that hi-def anymore.
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Hi John,
I've used CF25 quite a lot over the last year, and like it a lot. Admittedly I output my videos for either DVD or web but the look is much nicer than interlaced, and you don't have any noticeable loss of resolution in SD. I can't comment on the differences in you output in HDV. Adam Wilt's article that you've seen gives the best insight.. I did read elsewhere that several people have used it to good effect. Regards Gareth |
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I guess I don't look at it as a resolution loss so much as a detail loss. Maybe it's the same thing when it comes down to it, but I can sort of justify it as being a little better than it maybe is if I think like that... The other thing I haven't been able to figure out is whether to edit CF25 footage in a 50i timeline. Specifically so it will cut well with V1 25p footage. So that basically, when I output a 50i final product, I'll essentially be getting a true 25p product. |
Hi John
I import it into a Progressive timeline in Premiere and edit like that... I did some tests before using it on a shoot and the still frames I got were far batter than the stills from deinterlacing the video. They certainly seemed to be sharp and held a lot of detail... Anyway perhaps others will chip in to give their experiences. I believe I saw a post by DSE where he said to a guy to try it out as he was sure he'd like the result... Regards Gareth |
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cheers Gareth |
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I guess that's my big concern - that even thought they're both a kind of 25p, they're encoded differently and therefore can't be edited on the same timeline... |
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