Serious FX1000 tape recording issue at DVinfo.net

Jeff Harper · April 3rd, 2009, 06:13 AM

Ok, for the tenth time I have gotten broken clips, and it is ALWAYS at the absolutely worst time, in the middle of the intro of the bride and groom at the end of the ceremony, intro of their first dance, I could go on.

It only happens with footage from one of my cameras, and regardless of which I capture with. One time I rewound the footage and it captured one section continuously, but the rest of the breaks remained.

What happens during capture is it freezes, then struggles to restart, then it begins capturing a new clip.

Any ideas? No doubt this camera must go to Sony, but I thought I would check here for any thoughts.

Yes I'm using new tapes, and I have two cameras, and the settings on each are identical.

Jo Ouwejan · April 3rd, 2009, 07:23 AM

I am seeing the same thing, writing a project back to HDV tape on the FX-1000. Footage from a Canon HV20, used in a Vegas project. No problems, but writing back sometimes gives a drop out in each tape. The other day I saw 2 drop outs in a single tape.
I know, this is not completely the same as shooting, but nevertheless, drop outs.

Ron Evans · April 3rd, 2009, 09:36 AM

Picture freeze is the error correction working to cover up a dropout. What tape are you using and have you EVER used another brand of tape in the camera( even just once)? I have had my FX1 since they came out, always used Sony Premium tape and never had a drop out of any kind. Just one use of a Panasonic tape on a camera using Sony tape will cause endless problems until the deck is cleaned. I have personal experience on one DV cam and my DHR1000 deck both had to be sent back to Sony to clean and fix and have never mixed tape ( or had a dropout) since. Sony tapes do not liked to be mixed with anything else. I know lots of people say this has been fixed. I for one am not prepared to test this out knowing what happened to me in the past!!! Sony Premium tape is not expensive anyway and I have used some several times still with no problems.
I keep one of my older DV cams for non Sony DV tapes that people give me to capture etc so that my main cams only see Sony Premium tape.

Ron Evans

Adam Gold · April 3rd, 2009, 10:16 AM

Yes, from Jeff's description it's pretty clearly a tape dropout. Vegas probably has a setting to start a new clip when it sees one. Turn that off.

Jo Ouwejan · April 3rd, 2009, 11:00 AM

Never ever used anything else than Sony Premium.

Jeff Harper · April 3rd, 2009, 12:02 PM

Duplicate post

Jeff Harper · April 3rd, 2009, 12:03 PM

I never use anything but new Sony Premiums. A few years ago I had a bad experience mixing tapes, and hopefully it be my last.

Adam, I'll check into the settings, but I've looked and in HDV capture mode there is no option to stop for dropped frames. In DV mode there is, but not in HDV mode. Most of the options that are available when capturing in DV are unavailable for HD.

Adam Gold · April 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM

I'm not a Vegas user, but most NLEs have a setting somewhere in the capture settings that says on dropped frames, to ignore or start a new file or abort. Usually there's some sort of check box or drop-down. I assume Vegas has something like that, but I could be wrong.

Jeff Harper · April 3rd, 2009, 12:11 PM

Thanks Adam, I forgot that you use PP.

Jeff Harper · April 3rd, 2009, 01:30 PM

It would appear that when capturing HD Vegas stops on dropped frames by default. There is not, that I can find, an option to turn that off.

When capturing SD the option is there, as are other options like turning off audio during capture, but for HD capture Vegas is somewhat limited in options.

I'll try to capture using HD split, but it had some issue too. for example when previewing during capture if flaked out on me and had many dropped frames and told me my computer wasn't pwerful enought to do preview during capture. I like to be able to see preview during capture, but it is certainly not essential.

Rob Morse · April 3rd, 2009, 03:37 PM

Is it the tape or NLE? Can you view it directly on the TV or in your camera LCD? I'm getting the same issue off the card whenever it splits.

Martin Duffy · April 6th, 2009, 06:50 AM

I am continually maazed at how some people think mixing tape brands like Sony with others is OK as long as they are new tapes.

Too scary to take a chance I think.

April 3rd, 2009, 06:13 AM	#1
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Serious FX1000 tape recording issue Ok, for the tenth time I have gotten broken clips, and it is ALWAYS at the absolutely worst time, in the middle of the intro of the bride and groom at the end of the ceremony, intro of their first dance, I could go on. It only happens with footage from one of my cameras, and regardless of which I capture with. One time I rewound the footage and it captured one section continuously, but the rest of the breaks remained. What happens during capture is it freezes, then struggles to restart, then it begins capturing a new clip. Any ideas? No doubt this camera must go to Sony, but I thought I would check here for any thoughts. Yes I'm using new tapes, and I have two cameras, and the settings on each are identical.

April 3rd, 2009, 10:16 AM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Yes, from Jeff's description it's pretty clearly a tape dropout. Vegas probably has a setting to start a new clip when it sees one. Turn that off. Last edited by Adam Gold; April 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 AM.

April 3rd, 2009, 03:37 PM	#11
Rob Morse Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 427	Is it the tape or NLE? Can you view it directly on the TV or in your camera LCD? I'm getting the same issue off the card whenever it splits. Last edited by Rob Morse; April 3rd, 2009 at 05:04 PM.

April 6th, 2009, 06:50 AM	#12
Martin Duffy Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 156	Don't mix Sony tapes I am continually maazed at how some people think mixing tape brands like Sony with others is OK as long as they are new tapes. Too scary to take a chance I think.

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April 3rd, 2009, 07:23 AM	#2
Jo Ouwejan Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Veenendaal, Holland Posts: 225	I am seeing the same thing, writing a project back to HDV tape on the FX-1000. Footage from a Canon HV20, used in a Vegas project. No problems, but writing back sometimes gives a drop out in each tape. The other day I saw 2 drop outs in a single tape. I know, this is not completely the same as shooting, but nevertheless, drop outs.

April 3rd, 2009, 09:36 AM	#3
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Picture freeze is the error correction working to cover up a dropout. What tape are you using and have you EVER used another brand of tape in the camera( even just once)? I have had my FX1 since they came out, always used Sony Premium tape and never had a drop out of any kind. Just one use of a Panasonic tape on a camera using Sony tape will cause endless problems until the deck is cleaned. I have personal experience on one DV cam and my DHR1000 deck both had to be sent back to Sony to clean and fix and have never mixed tape ( or had a dropout) since. Sony tapes do not liked to be mixed with anything else. I know lots of people say this has been fixed. I for one am not prepared to test this out knowing what happened to me in the past!!! Sony Premium tape is not expensive anyway and I have used some several times still with no problems. I keep one of my older DV cams for non Sony DV tapes that people give me to capture etc so that my main cams only see Sony Premium tape. Ron Evans

April 3rd, 2009, 11:00 AM	#5
Jo Ouwejan Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Veenendaal, Holland Posts: 225	Never ever used anything else than Sony Premium.

April 3rd, 2009, 12:02 PM	#6
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Duplicate post

April 3rd, 2009, 12:03 PM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I never use anything but new Sony Premiums. A few years ago I had a bad experience mixing tapes, and hopefully it be my last. Adam, I'll check into the settings, but I've looked and in HDV capture mode there is no option to stop for dropped frames. In DV mode there is, but not in HDV mode. Most of the options that are available when capturing in DV are unavailable for HD.

April 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM	#8
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I'm not a Vegas user, but most NLEs have a setting somewhere in the capture settings that says on dropped frames, to ignore or start a new file or abort. Usually there's some sort of check box or drop-down. I assume Vegas has something like that, but I could be wrong.

April 3rd, 2009, 12:11 PM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks Adam, I forgot that you use PP.

April 3rd, 2009, 01:30 PM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	It would appear that when capturing HD Vegas stops on dropped frames by default. There is not, that I can find, an option to turn that off. When capturing SD the option is there, as are other options like turning off audio during capture, but for HD capture Vegas is somewhat limited in options. I'll try to capture using HD split, but it had some issue too. for example when previewing during capture if flaked out on me and had many dropped frames and told me my computer wasn't pwerful enought to do preview during capture. I like to be able to see preview during capture, but it is certainly not essential.