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Old April 14th, 2009, 02:46 AM   #31
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Well so far (touch wood, and I have filmed nearly 20 events) I never had any dropped frames with my Z5. Ofcousre 90% of these were recorded in SD and most of them were also recorded on the MRC1 as well.

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Old April 14th, 2009, 04:35 AM   #32
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Cf unit and tape the go

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Well so far (touch wood, and I have filmed nearly 20 events) I never had any dropped frames with my Z5. Ofcousre 90% of these were recorded in SD and most of them were also recorded on the MRC1 as well.
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I have filmed about 40 hours now on the FX1000 via tape and had no dropped frames.

I certainly will be getting a CF unit soon though.

Anyone out there know how much a 32 gig card will cost? Approx.

Assuming 32 gig will give one around 150 minutes in SD.

How many minutes in HD?
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Old April 14th, 2009, 05:41 AM   #33
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As I have mentnioned in other posts I have a bad camera. My second camera doesn't have issues, only the first one.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 05:51 AM   #34
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....Anyone out there know how much a 32 gig card will cost? Approx.

Assuming 32 gig will give one around 150 minutes in SD.

How many minutes in HD?
Martin, Have a look a this post:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-hvr-...ash-cards.html

Whether you record in SD or HD the recording minutes are the same.

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Old April 15th, 2009, 07:34 PM   #35
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The render settings in Vegas Pro 8.0c were MainConcept MPEG-2.
Template: DVD Architect 24p NTSC video stream

The camera settings were
Gamma: Cinematone1
Blk Comp: OFF
Knee: Low
Color mode: Cinematone1
Color level/phase/depth: 0
WB Shift : 0
Sharpness: 0 and -7 as noted on the pics
Skintone dtl: OFF

It still looks as though the in camera conversion has a *tad* more detail. There was more difference between the two methods in my first test when the sharpness was at +7.
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Old April 17th, 2009, 02:06 AM   #36
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Frame controls are key to quality

I'm finding that it is necessary to increase the quality using Frame Controls (the terminology in Apple's Compressor product) when doing the conversion from HDV to SD to make the SD DVD. This DRAMATICALLY increases the processing time, roughly 14 hours on an 8way system set up as a cluster.

Also you can get a 32Gb Ridata 233x card for $105 at supermediastore.com. They are working well for me.
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Frame controls are key to quality

I'm finding that it is necessary to increase the quality using Frame Controls (the terminology in Apple's Compressor product) when doing the conversion from HDV to SD to make the SD DVD. This DRAMATICALLY increases the processing time, roughly 14 hours on an 8way system set up as a cluster.

Also you can get a 32Gb Ridata 233x card for $105 at supermediastore.com. They are working well for me.
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OK guys this is what I will do. Shoot in HDV, edit in HDV and then burn in DVD.
Then do the same thing, same scene, shoot in DV, edit in DV and burn in DVD. Get a few friends over some drinks show both videos on the same big LCD screen and ask them if they notice any difference and see. This will be interesting... It's not that I don't want to shoot in HDV, its because I know that my clients, so far, want the finished product in DVD with no intention to change it in the foreseeable future. Besides editing in DV (with my PC) is quicker.

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Well, finally I did the test last night with some friends ( 8) that I have invited over and showed them a DVD mixed with scenes filmed in HDV and DV and marked those scenes in numbers, gave them a piece of paper with the numbers on the one side with two columns marked HDV and DV and all they had to do is to place an X next to the numbered scene if , to their judgement was filmed in HDV or DV. Guess what? I had 6 scenes, 3 HDV and 3 DV, I got the following:
Scene.... HDV... DV
1. HDV.... 3x... 5x
2. HDV.... 4x... 4x
3. DV..... 2x... 6x
4. HDV.... 5x... 3x
5. DV..... 6x... 2x
6. DV..... 4x... 4x

Explanation Note: If you take Scene No.1(shot in HDV) 3x=3 guys though that it was HDV and 5x=5 guys though it was DV

It seems from the above (for me at least) that the results are the same whether you shoot in HDV or DV and render to DVD.

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I found the same thing, no difference, at least no noticeable difference.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 07:46 AM   #40
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Stelios - well done - an interesting test and result.
What I'd like to see is the same test to find out whether downconverters make that much difference if you're watching a DVD into a big new 1080P TV.

OK, I know they do for test-chart zonies, but for real filmmakers?

1) Take an HDV camera and film in DV (i.e. downconvert between chips and tape).

2) Same camera but film in HDV and downconvert in the camera.

3) Same camera, downconvert the timeline.

I'm guessing the worst downconversion will give the best looking DVD if that disc is boosted by being played in an upscaling DVD player, say.

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Well Tom someone else must do these tests now. I have done my part:-) Maybe you or Jeff. No more beers left in my fridge (for the moment)...lol

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