Anyone shooting DV?
Is anyone actually shooting in DV? I saw where Stelios did that comparison, I've read all the posts but was wondering who’s shooting that way. If there is really not much difference and you know it’s never going to HD, why bother. It takes longer to render out to DVD and when complex transitions and FX are used. I have an event tonight and am seriously thing about trying it. Strong opinions are welcome either way.
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I shoot DV most of the time as my clients only require SD DVD or SD web, my computer isn't powerful enough to edit and render HD easily. I only shot HDV when a project is for fun and have the spare time for the rendering.
At the end of the day a down converted DVD from HDV may look better but its not worth all the extra rendering time and increased risk of dropouts. |
I shot in HDV & DV tonight. I guess it's time to experiment. If the quality is only slightly better via the HDV, I would agree, it's not worth the additional effort.
On another note, which is off topic, I hate 16:9. It just doesn't fit the way I like to shoot. I've only shot a dozen or so events with it but everytime I think to myself, this sucks. Invariably there is a father dancing with his little girl and you really can't get a tight shot. That little bit of vertical real estate really makes a difference. You have to go for a wide shot or shoot from above and it's really impersonal. I also shoot a lot of bar/bat mitzvahs and they always have candle lighting ceremonies. You can't get a tight shot and include the candles. I can put a wide lens on my PD-170 and get a better wide shot and still have my vertical room. OK, i'm done bitching. Thanks for listening. |
Rob, if you are going to deliver SD DVD shoot the event in DV, you, and especially your clients, will not noticed any difference whether you shoot it in HDV or in DV. As you said I have actually tested this and now I only shoot in DV (because all of my clients want SD DVD), unless as Jonathan says, is for fan and to play around with. If in the future any of my clients wants the end product on blu-ray then I can shoot in HDV as my camera is capable to do so, for now the HDV logo on it is just a show off.
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All depends on the output. I'm not working for hire, but a lot of what I do is short pieces that I share via .wmv or MPEG4. Definitely a difference over DV on any screen at or over 1280 x 720.
For internet posting, even with great sites like Vimeo and Exposure Room the differences aren't as profound. A lot of the pieces end up being embedded in small play windows and there is almost no difference. The SD pieces seem to flow much more naturally whereas sometimes movement on HD is rather clunky and artifacting can get pretty nasty. But even there, it's nice to allow someone to download the piece in high quality to view on their system with less compression. |
Yeah I agree that the SD web plays smoother than the HD. Most people dont have computers which will play HD web smoothly. I feel that SD looks fine on the web, especially when its from the Z5.
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You can also shoot in HDV and later downconvert to SD while capturing the tapes - that's what I do and it gives me nice progressive image. It leaves me also an option to go back to that footage and reedit in HD if necessary (ie. when upgrading my offer with full HD support, I'll need a HD demo reel).
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Lukas, that is true but if I know I will never convert it, what's the point. Unless I'm getting a much higher quality output with the HD I would rather not go through the hassle..
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As I said before if you are not going to deliver in Blu-Ray don't bother shooting in HDV. Stelios |
I do shoot HDV and use the extra size to digitally zoom and pan in frame, then render to SD. Looks like a million dollar tripod.
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I prodce lots of sd but shoot as hdv and then slig it into the editor
If it is HDV then I can pan crop it in Vegas.. Also I like the bigger frame sizes as I pull stills to use for news stuff from it. Better stills when the res is higher.... when all is said and done it renders out to sd fornat.
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Once upscaled by the DVD player into a big 1080p TV it can look impressively good. tom. |
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